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    Oooh.. interesting

    Do B&B still have it then?

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    Lovely, thanks a lot.

    With regards to Helen's other stuff, the essential track is "Gabriella's Sång", a pretty epic ballad from a film she was in in 2002 which has pretty much become a Swedish standard. Absolutely brilliant.

    I've also got her Visor album which I like but it's quite an acquired taste - sort of avant garde Swedish folk if that makes any sense. There's also the amazing duet she did with creaky Swedish singer Göran Fristorp called "Höstens Vår" from his Min Lyckas Hus album. The album is pretty damn fine too, in a very low key, pastoral way. I love it.

    Other bits I've got are an OK version of Bridge Over Troubled Water and a screechy version of The Prayer, neither of which are too exciting.

    Showtune wise, Chess På Svenska is a pretty fantastic reading of the score which I'm sure Mr L has got nestled in a drawer somewhere. Not only do you get her, Tommy Körberg and her Kristina co-star Anders Ekborg (soon to be appearing in Melodifestivalen 2010) but there's a few songs which aren't in any of the English language recordings of the score. They're pretty special.

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    I just watched that You Have To Be There performance. I got real tingles listening to the words, even though I don't have such a faith myself. Now THAT is how you sing a song about your Faith, TAKE NOTE FLORENCE.

    Apparently the Swedish lyrics are even more powerful. I've seen a few people comment on B&B fansites that they think the translation loses a bit of the depth of emotion.

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    Christian, you'll be pleased to hear I shunted the 'Sexton favoriter' KFD CD onto my iPod last night. I'm going to build myself up slowly to the glory of the 3CD version

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    Easing yourself in (relatively) gently... I like it! It's really not a bad tracklisting though and certainly picks up all the real showstopping highlights. The packaging is lovely too, though I've only seen it in the flesh once.

    I've been listening to a bootleg of the Carnegie Hall concert this week and I'm really not massively keen on the translation - I just can't get used to it yet. Ever since I've had the Swedish CD, I've had a full direct translation of the lyrics which I've read along with the music. Some of the imagery is incredibly beautiful and evocative in a way that is totally missing in the English version. I hope they brush it up before the RAH.

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    I've JUST discovered tickets went on sale today

    http://www.royalalberthall.com/ticke...930/17962.aspx

    £36 - £72.50

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    Excellent, I've already had two people asking me if we can buy them yet. Hope I haven't oversold it...

    That's a bit more than Chess, isn't it? Maybe Russell Watson is particularly expensive.

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    I've no idea how much Chess was. I don't think I really want to pay the top price, and I'm guessing Star won't, either.

    Have you been to the RAH before, Christian? I've not, and I've no idea if any seating areas should be avoided. I quite like the idea of sitting somewhere where I can get a feel of the grandeur of the place.

    The pricing structure is

    Grand Tier £72.50
    Loggia £65.00
    2nd Tier £65.00
    Rear Arena £60.00
    Front Circle £47.50
    Rear Circle £36.00

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    It's impressive wherever you sit. Even the top of the circle is pretty amazing as you look down onto the stage and being round, you're never that far away from the action. It's high but for this it isn't really about fantastic sightlines as for the music.

    The best spots are the seats that sit around the edge of the building on the stalls level - I'm guessing that's Grand Tier. Loggia is probably general stalls.

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    Yes, to be honest I don't care that much about being close to the stage. I like Helen, but I don't crave to be as close as I can to her. As long as the sound is good and I've got a decent view, however far I am, I'll be happy.

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    Do you want to go for a group booking if we have enough people?

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    To be honest, if you know how many you're getting, just go ahead and book your own. We're still waiting to see if some friends who live in France want to come, and I doubt we'll get a reply before Monday.

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    Is everyone getting pumped up for this then?

    The CD of the Carnegie Hall concert is out on April 5th. I'll be glad to get rid of the ropey bootleg I've got, I have to say. Can't wait for the 14th. I'm ridiculously excited now!


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    We're actually not going

    With all this BA STRIKE HOLIDAY HELL this was sort of sidelined, being a few days after we get back. Plus it would be difficult for me leave wise, AND I've got a training course that I really shouldn't miss on the 14th which would mean I couldn't travel up until late afternoon on the day itself.

    Right at this moment, I'm not bothered at all because the holiday is looming. I may feel differently when I get back though.

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    Oh, worra shame

    Still, at least the holiday's happening!

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    Yes, we missed Chess at the RAH because we were on holiday somewhere at the time as well.

    Mind you, I watched the DVD at the weekend and can't say I regret it now.

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    It was better in the flesh as these things often are. I love the score so much anyway though, so I was already 80% sold on it anyway. I very much doubt Kristina is ever going to produced properly in the UK or the US, so I think this is going to be my only chance to see it live - until it hopefully gets revived in Sweden sometime in the not too distant future.

    I've never seen a filmed theatre production that I've really loved, though they are a great way of catching things you couldn't see live.

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    Tonight's the night!

    *talks to self*

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    A couple of my friends are going tonight too Christian and I must say I'm now massively jealous.

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    2 and a half hours of doom, gloom and death by barley consumption. How could anyone refuse?

    Oh, and just more than a few BLINDING TUNES too

    A full scale production is rumoured for 2011 - in HELSINKI.

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    Oh god, I'm not sure I could cope with such a miserable show against a backdrop of Helsinki!

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    I'm sure the comedy relief scene about the problem of lice will lighten the evening considerably

    Oh, it isn't really that miserable actually, no more so Les Misérables I don't think. It is pretty much deadly SERIOUS for the duration though.

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    There was a bit about it on BBC breakfast news this morning (at about 5am; still not over the jetlag). Essentially Bjorn and Benny just saying 'it's not like Mamma Mia'.

    I'm not THAT upset I'm missing it (to be honest the thought of the journey up, staying overnight and back tomorrow would fill me with dread at the moment), but I did have the 'Sexton Favoriter' album on my iPod for the journey to work this morning. I haven't bought the Carnegie Hall album yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolly View Post
    There was a bit about it on BBC breakfast news this morning (at about 5am; still not over the jetlag). Essentially Bjorn and Benny just saying 'it's not like Mamma Mia'.
    Bless em - that's been their mantra for 15 years with this show

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    Alex Petredis from The Guardian is mocking it wildly on twitter. Particularly the lyrics and the fact that a child dies from eating too much porridge(??????)

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    His actual review is more balanced than his tweets suggested, but the lyrics really do sound abominable!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010...w-abba-musical

    You can see why Abba's Bjorn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson keep plugging away at musical theatre. If you've sold 375m albums, you must start thinking, pop-wise, you have no worlds left to conquer – hence this one-off, semi-staged English-language revival of their 1995 epic, mercifully edited down to around two hours from a terrifying-sounding four-hour Swedish original, crisply titled Kristina från Duvemåla.

    Based around the novels of Vilhelm Moberg, it shares its mood not with the joyous blue-satin knickerbockered glory of Waterloo or Dancing Queen, but with the other Abba, the bleak, gloomy Abba of The Visitors and The Day Before You Came, records that reminded you they came from the land of Bergman and winter nights so long and depressing some people feel impelled to write four-hour long musicals to fill them.

    Here receiving its UK premiere, this show is clearly aimed at a very different audience from the globe-swallowing Mamma Mia! Anyone turning up in a pink cowboy hat is likely to realise they're incorrectly attired midway through the song about lice infestation, prosaically titled Lice. Still, they're in for an educational evening. You hear how Ulvaeus and Andersson apply their distinct melodic sensibility to a vaguely operatic score – with variable success, as it turns out, although you can't knock the big showstopper I'll Be Waiting There, expertly performed by Russell Watson and Helen Sjöholm, who, like the rest of the cast, cope pretty manfully with a libretto you wouldn't inflict on your worst enemy. Alas, when it comes to lyrics, the Abba of The Visitors and The Day Before You Came is swamped by the Abba of Dum Dum Diddle ("you are only smilin' when you play your violin") and Sitting In A Palm Tree ("I will stay here among my coconuts"). At one juncture, a Swedish peasant is required to express the injustice of his lot via the line: "Though I sleep on dung, I must hold my tongue."

    Elsewhere, you find out about the 19th-century Swedish diaspora setting up home in America (overlooked in films and drama in favour of other emigrant groups, perhaps for the reason that they don't seem to have done a lot when they got there, beyond farming and being stoic) and learn of the unexpectedly fatal effects of eating too much porridge during a famine, which does for the titular heroine's daughter in act one. Oat-based breakfasts: the silent killer.

    Reeling with hunger and fear of cereal-related fatalities, Kristina and family leave Duvemåla for the new world with a motley collection of villagers, including a prostitute looking to better herself ("never shall my daughter oblige a pleasure-seeker, not like me, the one they call . . . Ulrika") and her husband's brother, who you just know is doomed the minute he walks on stage: "He has no heart for farming!" we hear. "Your whims can only lead to disasters!"

    A quick glance at the song titles suggests things aren't going to pick up – quite aside from Lice, there's No!, Miscarriage, Never! and Peasants at Sea, which turns out to be a litany of ocean-going misery.

    Kristina doesn't like America. There's a lot of farming and being stoic about things, not least the death of her brother-in-law, who snuffs it as expected, but not before singing a song about it: "Beyond the burning prairie, I got lost, I was foolish and unwary."

    Eventually Kristina expires too, during childbirth: "I found her slumped by the milking stool." The crowd gave the show a standing ovation, Abba nuts and musical devotees to a man. Something similar happened in Stockholm in the 1990s, where the story of the Swedish diaspora obviously has a huge emotional resonance and the show ran and ran. There is talk of this production touring – what the wider world might make of Kristina seems open to question.

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    Gosh, Alexis Petridis is a prick, isn't he? He can't stop cracking that entirely non-hilarious porridge joke. Shame him and Caitlin Moran thought it was OK to spoil this for the other people in the audience - the fact that a "gay Swedish gentleman" had asked them to shut the fuck up from being so rude during the performance seemed to cause them much mirth. Nice. They'd probably feel a bit different if they'd coughed up £100 each for a ticket rather than being comped by the PR team.

    Just to counter a few of his points... it was only marginally shorter than the original Swedish version with just a single song gone and a couple of verses of others missing. No way had 50% of it been dropped. The lice thing he keeps going on about was a bit of comic relief rather than the ode to insects that he suggests and the porridge thing is a single line of dialogue which stresses how starved they are at that point and leads them to consider emigration.

    Anyway, unpleasantness aside, it was an absolutely brilliant evening. The score sounded incredible with an orchestra of what must have been sixty players plus the thirty strong choir. Ultimately though, this show is all about the principals, and all four of them were amazing, even naff old Russell Watson.

    Helen Sjöholm absolutely ripped the shit out of her Act Two showstopping ballad which had the whole crowd on its feet at the end (one of four standing ovations of the night). Lots of the songs are very long and complex melodically and don't adhere to the usual verse/chorus/verse structure but they worked a treat hearing it live - it really did bring a whole new dimension to something I've been listening to for fifteen years now.

    The lyrics are definitely the weak spot in all this. They've been translated by Herbert Kretzmer, a journalist who also did the translation for Les Misérables. Lots of the poetry of the original Swedish words has been lost along the way and I did feel they were a bit lacking at times and never really soared like they should have.

    It was a truly brilliant night though - cheesetastic it may sound, but it was truly one of those once-in-a-lifetime evenings.

    By the by, Björn and Benny were there and got the first standing ovation as they took their seats as the lights went down. They got up on stage at the end too, thanking the cast and the crowd. Was a nice little moment. Other than them, Tim Rice was sitting quite close to me and I'm sure Elaine Paige and Anders Ekborg were hovering outside whilst we were queueing up to get on. Now THAT'S starpower

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    Glad you enjoyed it Christian. Were Alexis and Caitlan being really loud and obnoxious then? Could you hear them?

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    No, I didn't see/hear them, I was just going on what she said on Twitter. Right before I unfollowed her.

    *gay hissy fit*

    It's always tricky when something you really love gets reviewed by someone with only a passing interest in it - it always gets the loon in me a flowing. Some of his points are very valid, not least the fact that a theatrical production of this would be a very shaky proposition. You can't really do it on the cheap and I think it's just too damn quirky to do well either here or on Broadway. The books it is based on are obviously completely engrained in Swedish culture (and a really good read by the way) which really does give it a headstart there.

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    Glad you enjoyed it Christian, and a bit that I didn't get to see it.

    Alexis Petridis is MY age, isn't he? Too fucking old to be acting like a sixth form student on a school trip, anyway. Wanker.

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    Did I say I saw a production of Chess when I was in Chicago? May as well here as anywhere, I suppose. It was a sort of cabaret theatre production in a restaurant with a small stage on the side, but the whole place was the stage, essentially. And the cast were the waiters before the show, delivering the desserts during the interval and then collecting the money when the show was over. Most peculiar.

    I still don't like the show THAT much, though. I always found it a bit light on plot and heavy handed, but time has turned it into a peculiar historical oddity that lends it some vaguely kitsch appeal. I only really went because Mr L wanted to and he did agree to see 'My Mother's Lesbian Jewish Wiccan Wedding' with me previously.

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    That production of Chess sounds odd! I won't press you as to which version it was, we'd be hear all night trying to narrow it down...

    I'm still going mad for Kristina last week. I've been raving about it to all and sundry all weekend. I quite liked the review from the (evil) Evening Standard -

    Kristina really is an Abba musical
    By Kieron Quirke, Evening Standard 15.04.10

    A little intense: Kristina

    Mamma Mia it ain’t. Last night, Benny Andersson and Björn Ulvaeus brought to the Albert Hall a less jocular musical. But if Kristina, presented here in a one-off concert, can be a little intense, there’s still music to be thankful for.

    Based on a novel, it’s the tale of a group of emigrants leaving Sweden for the US, and it all centres on the saintly wife Kristina (Helen Sjöholm).

    The immigrants hope, fear and suffer vocally but it’s not an action-packed tale. The music sprawls regardless of the drama, and the lyrics spend a lot of time filling space between events.

    But no Abba-related venture would be complete without ineffably wonky lyrics, and Andersson’s music (Ulvaeus contributed only as lyricist) can incite tingles, combining the familiar soundscape of Eighties musicals with hints of Baltic and American folk. There are also a couple of stonking tunes, the best being Kristina’s Gethsemane moment You Have To Be There, which Sjöholm makes the evening’s highlight.

    True, the relentless portentousness can grate, or lead to comic disparities of sound and subject matter: witness the violent number about nits at sea. But few last night were expecting subtlety. Let’s see if it makes the West End.
    Ropey clips are turning up on youtube all the time, but this one of Helen bringing the house down is actually pretty watchable:


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    I just downloaded 'You Have To Be There' from the Carnegie Hall album. OH MY GOD. She was BLINDING.

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    Not related to this musical, but for Helen Sjöholm fans, she performed 'Come What May' with Peter Jöback at Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden's wedding gala.

    I still find Peter's voice EAR RIPPINGLY HORRIBLE, but her bits are nice. Shame they didn't perform the REMIX though.


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    Susan Boyle is supposedly performing You Have To Be There on America's Got Talent this week. Fantastic exposure for the song, which I assume will be on Boyle's forthcoming album.

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    Here it is:



    Not very good really, is it? She sounds like she's racing through it as quickly as possible, no emotional connection whatsoever.

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    Susan Boyle only has one emotion.

    A normal person must
    Dismiss you with disgust
    And weep for those who trusted you.

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    I'm not even going to click play

    Maybe Caitlin Moran can provide a "humourous" insight into its quality - if she wasn't doing her utmost to ruin it for others in the audience in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoR View Post
    Not very good really, is it? She sounds like she's racing through it as quickly as possible, no emotional connection whatsoever.
    And she IS a God-botherer, isn't she? Or at least she DRESSES like one. You'd think she could relate to it more than a song about romantic love. But no, it's really quite poor indeed. And not only for that reason. Her phrasing is all wrong, and I'm not fond of the few lyrical changes either.

    I don't think I've personally found a song as emotionally affecting as this for MANY a year. And as a non-believer I really do think that is testament to Helen Sjoholm's delivery, which is nothing short of phenomenal, as far as I'm concerned.

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    Are Benny and/or Björn christians?

    A normal person must
    Dismiss you with disgust
    And weep for those who trusted you.

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