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I've actually just tweeted to tell folks to stay away from that - it's a bridge too far and it will only arm her. Do it properly folks!Originally Posted by dUb
Jan's home address is apparently being tweeted around
I don't want her physically hurt but SCARED would be good.Jan's home address is apparently being tweeted around
I've actually just tweeted to tell folks to stay away from that - it's a bridge too far and it will only arm her. Do it properly folks!Jan's home address is apparently being tweeted around
Absolutely.
Ooh Christian I LOVE this phrase :geek:
Also the power and potential of Twitter make me quite unnerved.
I'm not sure I agree. I'm genuinely not advocating hurting her in any way whatsoever, but it would be great for a change if the nicey nice lefties actually made a dent rather than just moaning.
Maybe just sit her down and give her a REALLY nasty paper cut. I bet that'll sort her out.
On both of her eyes.
And her minge so 'natural' sex hurts
As if she has sex, natural or otherwise. Anyone who's that offended by the idea of a possible threesome is clearly not very sexually fulfilled.
everyone knows if you invite someone back to your apartment after a club to smoke a joint you're basically DEAD.
I'm a pineapple, she's a palm tree
The BBC News website are reporting over 1000 complaints to the PCC - almost a new record
Indeed. See, Ofcom is actually a proper regulator, whereas the PCC is a toothless, ineffectual, self-regulating body staffed by journos. Good luck getting anywhere with them.
Disgusting article. Disgusting newspaper. And the worst thing is that you can't say it comes as a surprise...
Antony Cotton (CAN IT) just made me chuckle:
Here's a joke for Jan Moir. There's a black man, a gay man and an Asian man, and they all think you're a cunt.
I never thought Anthony Cotton would make me laugh so hard!
Poor Stephen, not only having the circumstances around his death called into question, but his TALANT too.
What a bitch Jan Moir is.
You are a depraved bird of hate, get out of my sight!
That's true, that entire section is TOSH too - he was the only member other than Ronan who actually did any singing FFS!
The level of spite and malice in her article really upsets me. How could someone be so poisonous to write such unfounded bullshit on the day before his funeral?
And when you consider how upset we are by it, imagine how it would make you feel if you knew Stephen personally. Processing the death of someone so young is incredibly hard, I've been through it. I can't believe anyone could be so callous as to publish this article before his funeral. And I don't just mean Jan Moir... The Mail should never have let it make print.
Drop them a mail at feedback@dailymail.co.uk.
Best to be polite and tell them you won't by their paper again unless she is sacked.
"Dear Daily Mail
It was with absolute disgust I read today's article by Jan Moir about the death from natural causes of Stephen Gately. The article was spiteful in the extreme and not based in any sort of fact.
I will not be purchasing the Daily Mail while Jan Moir remains employed by your paper.
Yours sincerely"
the "natural cancer" tag keeps making me laugh
If Paul Dacre has any sense (and if Private Eye is anything to by, he doesn't) then she will be sacked. PCC complaints can, possibly, be batted away but when Marks and Spencer choose to withdraw their advertising, then it's very bad for business.
Last edited by smexy; 16-10-2009 at 08:14 PM.
I've just emailed:
Dear Sirs
I read today's article by Jan Moir about the death from natural causes of Stephen Gately and was completely sickened by it. The article was spiteful in the extreme and not based in any sort of fact. Despite the limited apogy issued on behalf of Ms Moir, I still Believe the article contains opinions of a homophobic nature - whether intended or not. The last line of the article is in particular personally offensive to me.
I will not be purchasing the Daily Mail while Jan Moir remains employed by your paper, and I have contacted advertisers which appeared next to the article. g
Yours Faithfully
Quick, what was the name of that awful TV presenter who wrote about how Gays shouldn't adopt children or be in government because the hardest decision they ever make is what colour sofa to buy?
Lowri Turner
I think I got a bit carred away but here's mine... It was written quite quickly so it's not great.
I believe the PCC has a duty to investigate the above piece to the full extent of its powers. I understand the line which you are taking is that Gately's family and friends must complain before you begin an investigation. I am sure that they are too busy grieving his death to rise to the snipings of a petty journalistic bigot. However as a homosexual man I can say that the continued publication of homophobic material in the Daily Mail has a personal affect on myself and homosexuals across the country. I believe strongly in freedom of speech, but the slanderous lies and ludicrous conclusions which Jan Moir passes off as social commentary have no place in an (unfortunately) widely read and hugely influential newspaper.
A short list of such broadly homophobic material in her article (ignoring for now the disgusting insensitivity with which she treats the recent death of Gately himself) includes;
* Suggesting that Gately's sexual proclivities and his death were linked. No such link exists and her assertion that it is suggests that homosexuality is a dangerous and unnatural practice.
* Linking Gately's death with the recent suicide of Kevin McGee for no other reason whatsoever except that they are both homosexuals who died young recently. McGee committed suicide, Gately died of a heart condition.
* Using said nonexistant link to undermine the very validity of Civil Partnerships. Again, what Gately and McGee's marital status had to do with either of their deaths is baffling. Moir makes a bizarre leap of logic to suggest that because both men were gay and died young and may or may not have had extramarital relations (McGee's relationship with Little Britain Star Matt Lucas having ended prior to his death, and the unfounded and in any case irrelevent speculation on whether Gately's partner was sleeping with a third party at the time of his death) that the Civil Partnerships of thousands of gay men in this country are fundamentally flawed.
* Throughout the article Moir's descriptions of Gately's sex life are filled with words like 'sleazy' and 'dangerous'. The tone of the article is unpleasant innuendo throughout.
*The original title of the article (hastily changed to something less inflamatory when the proverbial shit hit the fan) ran "Why there was nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death". Not only is this patently untrue, in an article which hinges almost entirely on Stephen Gately's homosexuality (once again, NOTHING to do with his actual death) it is a grossly offensive assertion designed to make Homosexuality out as something abnormal.
I realise hundreds, perhaps thousands of people have already written complaints about this article. Many will be similar to mine, many probably a lot better written. But I am proud to add my voice to theirs. This is not the first time the Daily Mail has published vile homophobia and other bigotry under the veneer of social commentary. I have been deeply offended in the past by articles by Melanie Phillips and Lowri Turner. This cannot continue. Please investigate this case and ensure that a strong message is sent out that bigotry has no place in the national media.
That's excellent VoR. Hear hear.
I find it strange that she accuses people who have complained of having not read her article. It takes longer to complain than to read that. I suspect they all read it. It's not like the Brand/Ross debacle when it was a live show and a week old podcast that was no longer available to people who never downloaded it before the controversy (oddly I still have my copy of that podcast).
Last edited by Ellie; 16-10-2009 at 09:31 PM.
Sad as his death was, I am sort of happy that his legacy looks likely to be bigger than his role as the 2nd singer of Boyzone. I wasn't much of a fan of his when he was alive (I didn't dislike him - he just didn't register much with me) but it looks like it has provoked a strong backlash against the lazy instinctive homophobia of a lot of society. And that is a good, good thing. Way to go Steve!
I'm fucking AGOG. This is the first I've heard about this after being away for the day. I can't really add any more, but well done to everyone who has emailed, registered complaints or whatever. I see the Press Complaints Commission has set up a dedicated page for Ms Moir.
Lead item on the News At Ten now people
Fiona Bruce hosts the event, which comes this week from Stoke-on-Trent.
It's the main headline?
lead item!
I actually feel quite overwhelmed at the response this is getting, I'm really really pleased though.
Did they say that there has never been more complaints about a single article?
What happens now? Presumably the PCC is obliged to investigate it, even though The Daily Mail is treating it as it is over now?
This was at 6:20 this evening. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a record now;
More than 1,000 complaints have been made about a Daily Mail column on the death of singer Stephen Gately, the Press Complaints Commission (PCC) says.
The PCC said the number of complaints received about the piece by Jan Moir was "approaching a record".
The BBC article (at just after 7pm) said 'near record'. I'm sure it has increased steadily since then.
Marks & Spencer has asked the newspaper to move an advertisement which appeared alongside the online version of the article.
The PCC said it was considering the nature of the comments it had received.
A spokesman said many of the concerns related to the perceived impact of the article on the family.
He said the PCC had sought to make contact with family representatives to establish whether they wish to make a complaint.
The article also attracted angry comments on social networking sites and blogs.
Actor Stephen Fry used his Twitter feed to discuss the article.
He wrote: "The Press Complaints Commission website is down. Sheer volume of traffic. That says something about the strength of feeling I think."
'Glamorous routine'
In her column, Moir called the Boyzone singer's death "strange, lonely and troubling".
She wrote: "The Gately family are - perhaps understandably - keen to register their boy's demise on the national consciousness as nothing more than a tragic accident."
But she continued: "Whatever the cause of death is, it is not, by any yardstick, a natural one. Let us be absolutely clear about this.
"All that has been established so far is that Stephen Gately was not murdered."
She concluded: "As a gay rights champion, I am sure he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine.
"For once again, under the carapace of glittering, hedonistic celebrity, the ooze of a very different and more dangerous lifestyle has seeped out for all to see."
'Not intentional'
In response to the complaints, the Daily Mail released a statement from Moir.
She said: "Some people, particularly in the gay community, have been upset by my article about the sad death of Boyzone member Stephen Gately. This was never my intention."
She said the point of her column was to suggest that the death raised "many unanswered questions."
She said she was not referring to the fact of his homosexuality when writing about Gately's "glamorous routine".
She also defended her comments about civil partnerships.
She said: "I was suggesting that civil partnerships - the introduction of which I am on the record in supporting - have proved just to be as problematic as marriages."
Marks & Spencer said it "does not tolerate any form of discrimination.
"We have asked the Daily Mail to move our advertisement away from the article. This is a matter for the Daily Mail," they said.
I'm going to have to stop reading about it, because I've just got so many comments to make that my brain hurts trying to process them into anything vaguely comprehensible.
We've spoken about the recent phenomenon people using the new technology to feedback instantly about how they feel on matters, but what's also interesting (though depressing) is how defensive and unconciliatory organisations in response to this feedback. Last year The Guardian called the criticism of Max Gogarty's blog piece co-ordinated bullying, now Moir seems to be doing exactly the same thing as saying things she can't possibly know about whether people have read it or not. It really helps fester an "us and them" attitude.
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