2020 Democratic Primaries

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  1. KindaCool

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    Surely the DNC realizes that Sanders can put up a much better fight against Trump than Biden could. I can already smell Biden's blood by the time Trump is through with him.
     
  2. COB

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    Bernie's doing a town hall on Fox News tonight, and I'm hoping he really hammers home how vital Medicare For All will be during a public health crisis like the current one.
     
  3. ameraal

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    sadly, i don't think that reasoning matters at this point. it's a bit depressing but i honestly think people need a story (that they like or that gets them riled up) more than they want logic or facts.
     
  4. COB

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    You're probably right, but if tomorrow really is the end of this campaign then I hope it's not the end of the movement - it's honestly felt like something very special, that's opened a lot of people's eyes to how America works and hopefully shown them that it's possible to change things (even if that change might take a big longer than we'd hoped).
     
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  6. ameraal

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    of course! i don't think it will be the end even if biden outperforms expectations again. there are more big states and it really is starting to look like biden's mental acumen is getting progressively worse.

    people were fed the story that he's the electable choice and that's the reason for the turnaround in his campaign. the truth is he's such a risky choice... not only is he fumbling with his words, but they're also going to start investigating his son very soon and the election cycle will turn into a spat on which family is more corrupt - the bidens or the trumps. and that's a battle i don't think biden can win.
     
  7. ameraal

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    for some reason this person has been lodged in my head for a couple of days now. she says she would not vote for sanders if he were the nominee because supporters of his bullied her online. among other things.



    it's quite a feat to be more frustrating than the coronavirus but there you go.
     
  8. Jark

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  9. ameraal

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    i was just looking at the numbers ahead of today's primaries and i can't help but notice the states where sanders won are the only states that still haven't awarded all their delegates. does anyone (mu?) know why this is? it reminds me of the seemingly very biased unveiling of the results in iowa.

    i know california is a big one but utah and colorado are not and not awarding their delegates contributes to a bigger biden delegate lead.
     
  10. COB

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    Seeing some reports that a lot of oldies might ACTUALLY be staying home and not voting due to coronavirus fears :eyes:
     
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  11. ameraal

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    i was wishful thinking about that but as if!
     
  12. Lucille

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    Just like the COLD WEATHER kept all those tories indoors.
     
  13. Jark

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    I feel a really horrible sense of inevitably around the headlines I'll read on my phone when I wake up tomorrow. I think I'll probably have to have another hour in bed just to get over the hopelessness of it all. It's looking like a really rough result for Bernie now.

    His campaign doesn't have a single ounce of momentum, he can't get any positive press, Biden has more coverage in general, the states which go next (Ohio etc) are hardly likely to turn things around...

    It might be a case of limping on until Sunday's debate and then trying to land a total smackdown on Biden on TV, or praying for a major Biden gaffe, but Bernie doesn't go aggressively after his opponents like that and I have the feeling he's maybe on the verge of realising Joe Biden is getting this nomination.
     
  14. SDF

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    There’s not much to say this morning, other than a big fat :(
     
  15. Gangsta Nancy Lam

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    Enjoy your Presidential race between two old men with questionable behaviour towards little girls, corrupt families, and dementia, America. I hope it makes you very happy.
     
  16. VoR

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    Given how badly Sanders is getting hammered in states he performed much better in four years ago, you have to wonder how much his mainstream popularity was overestimated as a result of Hilary's deep unpopularity back then?
     
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  17. ameraal

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    this is why people think you gloat. at this point of the race he's doing better than in 2016 in terms of delegates and has he been "badly" "hammered" in a state he's done well before other than michigan?

    otherwise, yes, i think it's much easier to hate hillary than biden.
     
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    How was that gloating? I was making an observation - I didn't bring my own opinions or anyone elses into it.

    As far as I can tell, even in the states where Bernie is winning his lead is being significantly reduced compared to how he fared vs Clinton. Biden is polling something ridiculous like over 90% with black voters. It just feels like Sanders isn't a unifying figure, which can't bode well for if he does end up taking the nomination.
     
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  19. RaspberrySwirl

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    You’d think white working class voters would be attracted by his socialist agenda but if he can’t even win over them, what’s the point of having him as the Democratic candidate?
     
  20. ameraal

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    just look at your wording, vor.

    you have to keep in mind primary voters differ from general election voters. i hope we don't get another 4 years of trump but i don't see biden beating him, not by a longshot. and not only because a few sanders supporters won't vote for the dnc's choice of candidate - after the treatment he/they got they don't deserve a single of their votes but some people care about the "greater good".

    anyway, in other primary news:

    - rumours the dnc is thinking about cancelling the next debate
    - i'm seeing people talk about suspending the race and naming biden the nominee which is a bit of a contrast to everyone challenging the idea that the candidate with a plurality of delegates be declared the winner (well everyone except sanders).
    - a reported asked biden if he thinks he responded well to the worker he called a jack ass or something yesterday to which biden responded "i'm surprised that sanders is joining trump"
    - more reports of long waiting lines in certain areas
    - yet again, overwhelming support for mediacare 4 all which does not translate to votes for sanders
    - once again a very stark split of votes - young overwhelmingly vote for sanders, elder voters for biden, only the elders actually turn up
    - finally, andrew yang has endorsed biden, we can all breathe easy
     
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  21. COB

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    This gives me some hope:
     
  22. SDF

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    Personally I think this is all @VoR ’s fault

    ban him :side-eye:
     
  23. dmlaw

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    I wonder if the Democrats regret giving Hillary such a free run at the nomination last time out.

    It feels like Trump 2016 was Coronavirus a few weeks ago, in that it could be stopped but not if we underestimate it and come up with worst possible response. By contrast, Trump 2020 is Coronavirus now, in that it probably can't be stopped and whatever we try an old man is going to get killed.
     
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    Choosing my words carefully here, but IF it became clear that Sanders no longer had a realistic route to victory, I'm interested to know whether people here would still want him to fight on to the bitter end, even if it had the potential to weaken Biden's chances at the General Election?

    His speech today made it seem like he's potentially pivoted from fighting for the win to putting pressure on Biden to keep the issues that matter the most to Sanders voters on the table once he has the nomination. I think that's smart, and kind of what I was referring to when I argued that this isn't a binary choice between a brave new dawn and utter despair.
     
  25. Gangsta Nancy Lam

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    Joe Biden winning is such a gift to the Republicans. All they need to do is run some ads highlighting the stories of Democrat women who have been made uncomfortable by him sniffing their hair and touching them inappropriately, throw in the clips of him making creepy comments about the attractiveness of little girls on the campaign trail and BOOM, you have a bunch of women who'd never vote for Trump just straight-up not voting.
     
  26. SDF

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    Don’t forget kissing his granddaughter on the lips :side-eye:
     
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    I was watching an 80s clip show the other day and was reminded that he nicked a Neil Kinnock speech back in 1987.
     
  28. ameraal

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    - i think they're too close at this point for him to drop out. there's a process in place - you need almost 2000 delegates to get the nomination, biden is currently at 864
    - there's no reason to drop out yet, if the roles were reversed they would not be calling on biden to drop out
    - speaking of "them", look at the results from the states here. i don't wanna be a conspiracy theorists but isn't it just such a coincidence that all the states that haven't awarded all their delegates are states sanders won/has a lead in?
    - a lot of people on the left are hurt by the way the people behind the scenes organised against the most popular candidate and i understand where they're coming from
    - i don't think dropping out will help sway people to vote biden
    - staying in the race means he gets to put his issues on the table, we haven't even seen them go head to head in a debate yet
    - if biden wins the nomination, he needs to adopt some of sanders' policies at least to some degree if he expects sanders' voters to support him, he's only radicalising them by saying things like sanders is joining trump
    - biden is an utter vacuum of a politician, he's entitled and he's a liar apart from losing his marbles

     
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    My immediate instinct was to laugh at this, but in some ways it's actually quite sad :(
     
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    does he think the phone is his microphone or what?
     
  33. ameraal

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    does anyone still care?

    biden won big in florida, illionis (very low turnout) and probably arizona. overall it's projected he won 2 million votes to sanders' 1 million.
    at this point bar from some major shake up, it looks like biden will be the nominee.

    it's interesting to see what sanders does from here. i don't see him dropping out unless he gets (major?) policy concessions from biden (who's already reversing himself on certain issues like promising to support warren on her bankruptcy reform) and i am ok with that.

    (it's crazy but) people seem to trust biden and with the pandemic's trajectory and fallout being so hard to predict i think november is starting to become increasingly difficult to call at this point.
     
  34. ameraal

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    DEAD :(
     
  36. ameraal

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    he'd better not be.

    meanwhile, biden is already showing he's just as abysmal as pelosi and schumer. he asked ceos to commit to not engaging in buy backs for a year (where do i begin) and he's been trying to figure out how to set up a livestream and hopes to be successful in that endeavour in a few days :)

     
  37. ameraal

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    here's some biden.





    utter parody.
     
  38. ameraal

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    here's where the money to keep warren in the game long enough came from:



    i'm really hoping for a twist that explains the garbage human she turned out to be.
     
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    i'm starting to feel bad for biden. he's aware he's losing it but even worse they're aware he's losing it, yet pushed for him to keep on going...



    he's just a placeholder at this point.
     

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