Discussion in 'Current Affairs & Debate' started by Mugatu, Oct 30, 2018.
why is his family not pulling the plug? shameful
that's so sad. it really is. and it seems to be developing quite rapidly - these incidents were less before. the dems can't just nominate somebody else because nobody has the name recognition to beat Trump those close to the election. so he'll soldier on, suffer a humiliating loss and that'll be it, four more years of the wartime president, untethered. yay!
If only they had rallied around Bernie when it was still possible instead of signing their own death warrant.
Can 2020 just fuck off already.
- biden's been accused of sexual harassment by a woman who claims she was turned away by times up cause it was biden. it's not been widely covered. you can hear the accuser recount the event here.
- trump propaganda outlet new fox news poll shows biden "crushing" trump in swing counties. it has biden supporters wet.
- flashback to 2016
Why won’t corona do us all a favour and take out these two
apparently a few people are gagging for andrew cuomo to step in as democratic nominee and even if he doesn't, he's probably a shoo-in for 2024 at this point.
nothing seems to get americans hotter than a political dynasty.
A mess. Trump is going to eat him alive on the debate stage.
Guys he's not exactly going up against A VISION OF COHERENCE HIMSELF
Having presidential candidates with dementia is practically a grand American tradition by this point.
they're both car crash-tastic but whereas you can't look away while trump is driving monster wheels headfirst through a crowd of people, biden is the equivalent of a lorry hitting a garbage can in reverse.
Whatever you think of Trump, he generally seems to know what's going on around him. He has an uncanny ability to pinpoint his adversaries' weaknesses as well (Crooked Hillary, etc.). You know he already has a packet of memeable phrases about Biden that will stick in the collective imagination.
And there are a lot of people who prefer that!
And I oop
i was just watching biden earlier and thinking he actually looks like he's going to cark it (apart from what an awful awful awful candidate he is).
Sad. Bernie was the only one who would have been able to beat Trump in a debate. And Trump knew it, and has been playing the "it's rigged against Crazy Bernie" card for months. Well played, DNC - you just handed him his next meme to throw at "Slow Joe". On the plus side, at least poor Biden won't know he's being decimated on stage.
Well, there it is
Oh for fucks sake
I just hope America chooses the alleged rapist with dementia that has more liberal values.
Consensus candidates never win US elections.
I think what's actually pretty clear is that any talk of Trump's cognitive decline is bullshit - he's exactly who he's always BEEN. A mad narcissistic loony, but one with his faculties in tact. I dread the idea of him going up against Biden live on TV. Nobody would let that happen, surely?
I really think the DNC will have to choose somebody else.
No more lectures, you're getting three paragraphs only.
I'm disappointed in Bernie. A global pandemic is an excuse to hold the elite's feet to the fire on universal healthcare, but he's going to end up endorsing and campaigning for Biden and the reheated scraps of Obamacare, even though tens of thousands of people in America are going to die.
2020 was different territory than 2016, the moral panic from the years in between about Trump being a Nazi instead of another swamp-immersed corporate Republican completely backfired on the left, pushing Democrats to Biden when they tried to second-guess on who was most electable.
Jobs and trade also seemed to disappear from focus this time round too, I can't remember Bernie talking about those issues very much. It was obvious after Iowa that the campaign had a problem with appeal outside of cities, even if the success in Nevada covered it up for a while. Obama making everyone else drop out before Super Tuesday dug in the knife, but the AOC-style Socialism™ of the 2020 campaign just doesn't win working class votes.
This point has been made elsewhere, but I do think it's a relevant to mention that the working-class voters who voted for Obama twice then flipped to Trump, that Bernie potentially could have picked up in 2016, have probably been lost forever and are all in for MAGA Trying to win them back this time may have been a losing battle, but it was probably worth a try.
Why? They're the group that have largely voted for Biden that didn't vote for Hillary in the 2016 primaries.
My main view is that anyone saying with certainty what the result will be in November is on one. We are literally in the early days of an economy-shaking epidemic!
Trump saying "Sleepy Joe!!" in a debate that might not even *happen* (given the everpresent potential for Trump to strop out on anything he thinks is biased against him by virtue of not being exactly how he wants) is not going to be all that influential a factor if unemployment is at 20% this November and people don't think the government is helping them as much as it could.
Correct. I am not excited by Biden as a dem candidate but I think Bernie is/was inconsequential to how things are going to turn out in November. We have an electoral college and he wouldn't have flipped any "battle ground" states. His momentum was in the same places dems always win, and even then he could not mobilize enough voters. The outcome of the primaries demonstrate that. The thought of "socialist" Bernie "flipping" working class voters who voted for Trump in 2016 was not realistic.
Above all else Biden represents a less volatile eight years of economic prosperity and experience. I was concerned about his faculties like anyone else because that's been the narrative but I think he did better than Bernie in the last debate. The final stretch will be more rigorous but i haven't lost all faith.
I find it interesting that on the one hand, Sanders is beloved for being the only honest, principled, scrupulous candidate etc. But as soon as he makes a decision his followers don't like, obviously you, a person on the internet, know better.
Maybe he just saw the writing on the wall and recognised that this was actually the best way to strike a balance between keeping his policies on the agenda and supporting a Democratic victory in November? Regardless of how you feel about Joe Biden and his age/mental state etc. Bernie was inevitably going to lose to him either way. That was clear to everybody at this point. I see the argument for keeping in the race to hold him to account, but I'm sure Bernie was more than aware of that too, and probably being strongly encouraged to do that from some quarters. But with no debates to be held and a nation/world in crisis, him staying in the race DID feel like a distraction nobody wanted.
Personally I applaud his pragmatism and the fact that, unlike certain recently shuffled-off political leaders, he genuinely seems like he did put the party and the country above his own ego on this one.
The effect of the Democratic establishment pulling out all the stops to stop Bernie on Super Tuesday - a reminder that two of the frontrunners just dropped out and endorsed Biden absolutely out of nowhere, a situation that has literally never happened before in a US presidential primary - is something that a lot of people won't forget and not many will forgive. I don't mean that in some 'Bernie or Bust' threat kind of way, but there are swathes of the younger generation who got properly politically engaged for the first time with this campaign who I absolutely wouldn't blame for feeling like there's no point trying because the establishment will always pull out a dirty trick to get their way and stop real change from happening.
As for whether Sanders should have stayed in during the current situation, he immediately diverted his campaign funding to raise money for charity and was appearing in the media as often as he could to bang the drum for universal healthcare (which is surely more relevant than ever since the amount of medical bankruptcies is going to skyrocket even more due to all this...). I'd wonder if he actually planned to drop out BEFORE the pandemic, but saw the opportunity to use his platform to help.
The bottom line is that the type of movement Bernie Sanders was trying to build is the kind that is (and should be) bigger than any one person, and my hope is that it's inspired left-wing candidates to run for office all over the US. Maybe they aren't ready for a socialist president sadly, but fingers crossed we'll see more socialists running for positions in their city councils and state congresses etc, where change can be made (even if it's not the sweeping change that's needed to help everyone).
personally, i think he should've stayed in the race if only because i don't think biden will make it to the finish line for one reason or another.
the party and the pundits will still blame sanders and progressives for any failure. the "he dropped out but he hasn't said anything nice about biden" refrain began moments after the announcement although he's consistently said nicer things about biden than biden has (remember him saying "i'm surprised that sanders is joining trump" just weeks ago? unbelievable). the contempt they have towards him and the double standard is as obvious as it is disgusting and he owes them nothing.
btw sanders is staying on the ballot and he's keeping his delegates. i'm sure there's a pragmatic calculation behind his decision and i have no reason to doubt he will continue to fight for his policies.
at the end of the day, thanks to sanders, i have lost respect for a lot of people and media outlets this cycle but i have also gained a newfound interest and passion for politics so he's my winner.
Oh that is a shame indeed, but to be expected under the current circumstances
chomsky called it when it was really looking like it was going to be his. i hate him for always being right
for the record: this is not a restart of his campaign, it's (supposedly) purely for leverage at the convention.
LANDSLIDE or i'll ignore that it ever happened
He needs to stay in. The Biden stuff is
At least some of the things they said about Hillary were comical, this is just grim
and that was his opening speech...