50 dead in Orlando gay club massacre

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  1. Zu-Klara

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    ISN'T IT JUST!

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  2. dUb

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    From Kenya Michaels' instagram:

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  3. Sharla

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    I counted one tweet from The First Lady of Florida in amongst dozens about the Tonys.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My heart breaks for the friends and families of the souls whose lives were taken by two… <a href="https://t.co/J1yTeslEDt">https://t.co/J1yTeslEDt</a></p>&mdash; Gloria Estefan (@GloriaEstefan) <a href="https://twitter.com/GloriaEstefan/status/741988568260829185">June 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  4. Ag

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    What's the source for the fact the shooter was gay?
     
  5. Ag

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    It took Kylie a while but she managed it. Dannii did a couple naturally.
     
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    I hope Glo releases a tribute remix of 'Go Away'
     
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  7. Loufoque

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    Poor little Kenya Michaels. That's so sad.
     
  8. big ron

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    That made me go cold. What a fucking waste.
     
  9. Loufoque

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    In other news, a French police officer and his wife have been killed by an ISIS lone wolf in their home overnight.
     
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    It's starting to feel like just about any old crazy cunt can be claimed by ISIS now.
     
  11. big ron

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    This guy in Orlando wasn't ISIS though was he?
     
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    Well they claimed it!
     
  13. Ag

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    Any of us could claim to be ISIS, that's their thing. They announced that anyone can represent them and they encouraged lone wolves.

    Paris of course was a highly organised team and the results were devastating. Turns out a lone wolf can cause just as much chaos.
     
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    On the other hand, sometimes a dignified silence is better...

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stop Hate. Stop Violence. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/revolutionoflove?src=hash">#revolutionoflove</a> <a href="https://t.co/bcmYfy2utE">pic.twitter.com/bcmYfy2utE</a></p>&mdash; Madonna (@Madonna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Madonna/status/742138601689993216">June 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    I think they claimed it but I don't think that was his inspiration, as discussed it was homophobia, either because he was conflicted or just out of pure hatred. ISIS just latched on later.
     
  16. Sharla

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    He phoned the police before the attack and said the attack was in ISIS's name, and they then duly took the credit.

    If it's established he is a practicing homosexual (and worst: a needy bottom) then they might just recant with a "We don't know her"
     
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    I don't think dignified is in her repertoire. I've not looked at too many celebrity tweets, there have been that many terrible things to commemorate this year I'm numb to them.
     
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    It's not about whether ISIS is "masterminding" it - it's about people who adhere to extremist ideology acting as lone wolfs.
     
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    Ah, missed that somehow. Cretin.
     
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    Yeah I get that, but I didn't realised he'd called it in their name. I thought they were just latching on.
     
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    He called them from the club. Bet he already knew the best signal spots.
     
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    And in this case, it may be even more complex than that, if he did have mental health issues, self hatred as a fag etc.
     
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    You jest, but I wonder if they have wifi, wouldn't be hard to find out if his device was connected to the network to prove he'd been there before
     
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    You'd hope the FBI know that shit Inspector Ron.
     
  26. Zu-Klara

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    :D
     
  27. big ron

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    What, the FBI that can't crack an iPhone?
     
  28. Sharla

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    And he filmed it and posted it on Facebook.
     
  29. Loufoque

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    Wow. This is just getting worse and worse.
     
  30. Sharla

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...helping-islamist-militants-into-a7081021.html
     
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  31. Loufoque

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    Spotted this article on Twitter: "Most Western Gays Remain in Denial about Islam"

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-gay-rights-westernization-gay-times-magazine

    It's also interesting that a lot of the Guardian comments on Owen Jones refer to his cognitive dissonance on supporting Islam when Islam in the main doesn't support him.

    This tragedy has opened up a very complex issue on the left and right of the political spectrum, and asks the question whether all minorities support other minorities.
     
  32. RaspberrySwirl

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    Yes, and this is why they are so hard to battle.
     
  33. RaspberrySwirl

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    Good!
     
  34. Loufoque

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    What specifically do you mean?
     
  35. Sharla

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    There is a huge difference in responses towards different religions when it comes to attitudes towards homosexuality and equal rights.

    People will be openly scathing about what's happening in Northern Ireland and be comfortable with criticising the link between politics and religion and making sweeping statements about christianity in general, but point out that a recent poll of muslims shows over 50% think homosexuality should be illegal/banned and a normal response will be "BUT SADIQ KHAN VOTED FOR GAY MARRIAGE!!!!"

    Maybe there's a link to muslims generally not being in positions of power and therefore unable to influence with their views?
     
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  36. RaspberrySwirl

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    Sharla just pretty much answered that.
     
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    As with the debate on the burka, Islam is the ultimate liberal dilemma.

    I don't wish for anyone to be persecuted for their religious beliefs, but it's nothing short of total denial to suggest that religion doesn't encourage and perpetuate homophobia.

    I have a pakistani Muslim friend who is possibly the campest person I know. He is totally resigned to the fact he will never have a meaningful relationship with a man, because it would hurt his family too much, and because of his own conflicting feelings about his sexuality. I can't imagine continuing to love my family if they were unable to love me. It's a two way street.
     
  38. RaspberrySwirl

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    I agree RB, but that last passage could be about any religion or culture.
     
  39. KindaCool

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    What is particularly alarming is he wasn't some FOB Syrian refugee who's lost it all and out to end his bitterness, he wasn't some ISIS loon with a brainwashed existence, he was a US born New York citizen with an American education. Like if that's not failure to integrate I don't what the fuck is. And it ANNOYS ME TO MY CORE that people think that 'immigration reform' must EITHER be BAN all foreigners or open the fucking floodgates and let everyone in. Like what about REGULATION?
     
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    I don't think it's a failure to integrate, I just think he'd just heard Agnetha's vocals.
     
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