Brexit EU Referendum announced - June 23rd

Discussion in 'Current Affairs & Debate' started by Sharla, Feb 20, 2016.

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Well?

  1. I will vote for the UK to REMAIN

    71.0%
  2. I will vote for the UK to LEAVE

    4.3%
  3. I will make up my mind nearer the time

    4.3%
  4. I will abstain on principle or spoil my ballot

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. .

    7.2%
  6. I can't vote but would vote REMAIN if I could

    13.0%
  7. I can't vote but would vote LEAVE if I could

    1.4%
  8. .

    5.8%
  9. I predict the UK will vote to REMAIN

    44.9%
  10. I predict the UK will vote to LEAVE

    18.8%
  11. .

    7.2%
  12. I hate George Galloway more than Nigel Farage

    7.2%
  13. I hate Nigel Farage more than George Galloway

    29.0%
  14. I hate George Galloway and Nigel Farage in equal measure

    26.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Sharla

    Sharla The Resistance

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    FOUR MONTHS TO GO

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  2. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Referendum confirmed for 23 June.
     
  3. Ag

    Ag BRING BACK TAGS

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    I'm bored of it already. Are we going to at least get a TV debate?
     
  4. Penelope

    Penelope Look right for CALMING INFLUENCE

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    I don't really get the pro-EU lot who treat it as a religion, but I think I'm pretty solidly In on the basis that it just makes zero sense to me to leave the club and still have to abide by most of its rules without getting a say on them - we aren't going to leave the EEA or EFTA, so why bother risking a load of jobs for the sake of 'sovereignty' that isn't really sovereignty?

    And as for the argument Leave are going for that if we leave we'll magically be able to strike up a load of free trade deals...I mean, it's pretty apparent these people professing to know all about our economic destiny have no idea about China's general economic strategy in the countries they're proposing we deal with instead, because there's no chance they'd allow it to happen in a lot of them.
     
  5. Indie

    Indie Great Tits

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    I am pretty bored of it, my local rag's letter section is flooded with most anti-EU bile at the moment. EUROPE IS STOPPING US DREDGING! EUROPE ISN'T A DEMOCRACY! THERELL BE SO MANY MUSLIMS WHEN TURKEY JOINS!!!!!
     
  6. Shirley

    Shirley BIG-HEARTED BUNNY

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    BRING OUT YOUR DEAD
     
  7. Sharla

    Sharla The Resistance

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    It's not just the Leavers who are peddling crap though.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'll be voting to remain within the European Union. I believe being in is the only way to protect human rights of LGBTI people <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EURef?src=hash">#EURef</a></p>&mdash; Lee Martin (@LeeMartinSNP) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeeMartinSNP/status/701039414936469504">February 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    Yes Lee, because if we do leave the EU, Section 28 will be no longer be repealed, same sex marriage and civil partnerships will no longer be recognised, gays who've adopted kids will have to hand them back and rubbish drag queens will be banned from performing at provincial venues.
     
  8. Penelope

    Penelope Look right for CALMING INFLUENCE

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    No, but leaving the EU means that a government can change all of that at will. Unlikely, but it's not impossible to imagine a scenario where some cunt like Liam Fox won a post-referendum leadership contest for the Tories and then scraped in in 2020 with minority support from UKIP. Would I trust a government like that with my rights?
     
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  9. Sharla

    Sharla The Resistance

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    So why don't Northern Ireland have the same rights as the rest of the UK, despite being part of the European Union?
     
  10. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    If we leave the EU, there's nothing really to stop a future Tory government ripping up the ECHR, say for the excuse of stopping petty criminals from voting, and then nothing stopping further human right infringements.

    EU membership is a good firewall. They can't fuck with out rights in the name of Parliamentary supremacy.
     
  11. Penelope

    Penelope Look right for CALMING INFLUENCE

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    They don't have the same rights because gay marriage isn't part of the ECHR. What they don't have either is the power to enforce Section 28 or scrap the requirement for employers to not discriminate based on sexuality.
     
  12. Devil

    Devil I Need A House

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    I certainly think Britain should stay - it fairly obviously makes sense.

    I would only vote to leave on a purely selfish basis as it would make it a lot easier for myself potentially immigration wise to remain.
     
  13. RaspberrySwirl

    RaspberrySwirl Leftover

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    I hope the UK goes under if it chooses to leave. Like Tramell once said; we should nuke them.
     
  14. RaspberrySwirl

    RaspberrySwirl Leftover

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    But on a more serious note, can someone please explain to me who is allowed to vote? I read in the newspaper today that all Commonwealth citizens are allowed to vote, including Cypriots and Maltese. Is this true? And if so, why?
     
  15. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    I heard it was the general election franchise which is just UK citizens and resident Irish citizens.

    EDIT: No, I'm wrong. All those resident Commonwealth citizens can vote too.
     
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  16. Penelope

    Penelope Look right for CALMING INFLUENCE

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  17. RaspberrySwirl

    RaspberrySwirl Leftover

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    So hopefully half of Africa can be bribed to vote for the UK to remain in the union?
     
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  18. Penelope

    Penelope Look right for CALMING INFLUENCE

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    Commonwealth citizens living in the UK get voting rights for historical reasons. Same with Irish citizens living in the UK.
     
  19. RaspberrySwirl

    RaspberrySwirl Leftover

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    Alright, that makes more sense.
     
  20. Indie

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    Well, Paul Daniels is dying, so that's a vote for leaving that won't happen. We just need to kill Michael Caine too.
     
  21. Shirley

    Shirley BIG-HEARTED BUNNY

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    CAN I CHANGE MY MIND NOW
     
  22. RaspberrySwirl

    RaspberrySwirl Leftover

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    Who's this Broomhelga?
     
  23. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    The strong rumours are that Boris is going to announce he's on the leave side tomorrow.

    Is it possible to impeach a Mayor of London? It's a ridiculous position.
     
  24. David_5000

    David_5000 I'll dance alone

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    I was worried about the popular/ignorant vote taking us out of Europe before, now I'm terrified.
     
  25. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    To whip up the ignorant vote enough to vote is going to be a challenge. Or at least the only way is going to be to terrify them, so there's only one way their campaign is going to go.
     
  26. David_5000

    David_5000 I'll dance alone

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    As long as the "remain" voters don't get complacent and assume it'll all be fine so they don't need to vote.

    I reckon most people don't like change, but might not be bothered enough to vote.
     
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  27. Penelope

    Penelope Look right for CALMING INFLUENCE

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    I'm really looking forward to Boris losing something embarrassingly. Or dying, I'm not picky.
     
  28. Indie

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    The interesting thing that i've noted in the polls so far is that the "stay" contingent seem to be young and the "leave" contingent are generally older.

    That doesn't bode well given usual inclination to vote.
     
  29. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    What about in terms of the social class vote? The ABs usually turn out far more than the DEs, don't they?
     
  30. Indie

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    Yep, ABCs are well ahead on staying.

    Scotland & the northeast/yorkshire are the most likely to vote to stay, and the midlands/south east/east want to leave.
     
  31. Kalabaliken

    Kalabaliken Pop Precision Since 1978

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    I think I would rather stay in the EU than be part of a UK who leave the EU.
     
  32. Indie

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    Yes, that's the poll.
     
  33. Kalabaliken

    Kalabaliken Pop Precision Since 1978

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    I worded that wrong. I meant I think I would support Scottish independence over leaving the EU as part of the U.K.
     
  34. Sharla

    Sharla The Resistance

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    what scares you so much about BREXIT that you'd rather have President Sturgeon? (until you become the figurehead of the resistance and assassinate her of course)

    The idea of Scotland automatically voting for independence and re-joining the EU in the result of a leave votes seems a bit ridiculous. The currency/central bank issue was never resolved and there's still the issue around whether existing countries would let them join.

    Just imagine though, Boris joins the leave campaign, they win, Ca resigns, Boris wins a leadership contest, calls an election, Labour do as well as predicted under Corbyn and Momentum take an even stronger grip on the party and ensure Diane Abbott is elected as Corbyn's successor, the Lib Dems improve on last time and scrape into double figures, UKIP fail again thanks for FPTP and the SNP retain most of their seats, except for all the ones where the MPs are caught up in financial sleaze.

    Or most of that could happen in 2020 after Cameron stands down in 2019 as he promised, with Remain having won convincingly.
     
  35. Indie

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    I note that about 0.2% of the electorate will be at Glastonbury. And another large proportion will be in France for the euro championships.
     
  36. David_5000

    David_5000 I'll dance alone

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    Postal vote?
     
  37. big ron

    big ron Nude inspector

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    This. The problem is the LEAVE camp are likely to be galvanised by a cause, in that they want something different. The STAY campaign is essentially asking for people to keep things as they are, it's not that inspiring. I think there is a huge risk of apathy leading to a lack of actual voters on the day.

    I've got a mate who lives over here 6 months of the year, and yet wants out. He's starting a business here in the summer. I can't even begin.
     
  38. big ron

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    I'm also yet to hear one solid argument to leave.
     
  39. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    That's similar to the Scottish independence vote. Does anyone know how the yes/no vote was split by age in that?
     
  40. Sharla

    Sharla The Resistance

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    This was posted in the Scottish Referendum result thread

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    The graduate age demographic and the oldies saved the day.
     

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