Discussion in 'Moopy Odeon' started by Shirley, Aug 29, 2017.
On the subject of gay movies, this probably doesn't warrant its own thread as it's over a year old and I don't think anyone else saw it, but I just watched a lovely one on Netflix called Other People, starring Jesse Plemons as a 29-year old gay who moves back home to care for his terminally ill mother.
It's not exactly a chucklefest, and the lead character is kind of self-centred and unlikeable, but the performances are great - especially from Molly Shannon, who's heartbreakingly good as the mum - and it had some nice character moments that didn't feel too on the nose in the way that a lot of gay 'issue' movies tend to be.
I thought call me by your name was so wonderful because it didn't at any point feel like a 'gay movie'. people criticise it saying no family would be that liberal in the eighties (I'm sure some were) but the romance felt so natural I barely gave the sexuality of the main characters a second thought. Homosexuality isn't the thrust of the story, and in that respect it felt much more natural than something like Brokeback Mountain.
Beautiful. The chemistry between the leads was, for once, palpable, even though the type of film it was always showed it would end the way it would. I was desperate for something entirely unlikely to happen at the railway scene at the end and I ached for poor Elio, who was played superbly.
The scene with the Dad at the end was also beautiful, though I must be the only person who didn’t take it to mean he had a gay fling- I just thought he meant he’d never fallen in love like that, not even with Elio’s Mother.
Anyway, 8/10. And I usually hate “gay interest” films.
This is by far the best movie of the Oscar season for me - it's not a movie about class as some here have claimed nor a movie about being gay. Just a classic (tragic) love story.
And how great is the soundtrack - apart from the two Sufjan Stevens instant classics I also love "love my way" by The Psychedelic Furs - did they ever sue for the similarities to "getting away from it" by Electronic?
This has been confirmed to be a trilogy of films now.
I’m living for the thought of a Before Sunset type sequel.
will it be Elio growing up or separated stories?
I cannot bear anymore heartache!
but I am ready for this La meglio gioventù of our time
Any chance they'll recast human block of wood Armie Hammer for the sequels?
I watched it back a second time and he's so the weak link in the movie.
While I don't disagree entirely he's a breeze block, he's part of the appeal of the entire relationship. I mean Timothee gets the fan girls, but he needs to be fucked by the right smooth bit of meat.
I felt like he was actively quite wooden in some of the key scenes. I never bought that he was attracted to Elio, whereas Chalamet absolutely sold his attraction to Oliver. As discussed, he was also cast as far too young. If it's between a 35 year old and a 17 year old fine, tell that story. But we were supposed to believe he was 25? It just made the whole thing feel really mismatched.
I'd argue that was the point. Why would you display your feelings towards your colleagues teenage son?
I thought there was a lot of attraction displayed when
but didn’t he say he restrained himself because it didn’t feel right to act on it? until
I really wasn't feeling it at all. You can see Armie's total non-reaction in those GIFs! It's very "The director is telling me to massage Timothée's shoulder now, so that is what I am doing". If he was aiming for sexually frustrated inner conflict, it didn't particularly read (to me). Compared to Elio who I 100% bought into at every moment, in his body language, mannerisms etc. He carried the movie.
I do think a lot of it is Armie being fundamentally miscast, but I would argue there are certain scenes in which he is actively wooden. Most notably for me in the fountain discussion, and this scene, which makes me chuckle every time.
It's not a disaster performance by any means, there are moments when he's quite good (his 80s dancing is iconic). But it's what keeps the film back from being a bona fide classic to me. I just never believed the character.
A trilogy? They surely have to be getting the author to have a bash at another book then? There’s only one small bit left they haven’t covered!
And I totally didn’t think Armie was wooden either. It felt like an older man who really shouldn’t be doing what he was doing and having to make sure he wasn’t being obvious. It wasn’t an Oscar nominated performance for sure, but he was perfectly good in it for me...
Perhaps they'll show us the older man's story after he leaves Italy and then some kind of 3rd film about the last bit of the book.
But the book wasn't good to begin with, so perhaps they can make a better movie if they completely depart from the book narrative.
I don’t think the author is writing a book but he is working with the director to write the story. This article has lots of info:
I wonder if we’ll get to see some cock in the next one.
The book was beautiful. The prose was wonderful in places. It’s a definite re-read for me...
I thought both the book and the film were beautiful. I disagree with VoR's micro-dissection but to each their own.
I also disagree with VoRla's dissection and feel super happy that Mats loves the film.
we all dream of a little bourgeois bumping sometimes, don't we!
I love that they plan to counter claims they didn't engage with the issues affecting the gay community in the 80s enough by having the twink sob over an ARTHOUSE FILM ABOUT AIDS
I agree that it was good in places. But the whole thing bored me to death. Sorry.
Wasn't the whole joy of the film the lack of AIDS? What was wonderful about the film was the hyper-romantic, self-contained, blissfulness of it. It was pure fantasy. I don't need to see Elio weeping in an art house cinema in Paris picking at his Kaposi's Sarcoma.
Reading between the lines of this interview with screenwriter James Ivory, it seems it's pretty much Armie Hammer's fault there's no male nudity in the film.
Poor Armie still convinced he’s going to be a big movie star
In a world of easily accessible internet porn, does anyone really sit there and go “I FEEL CHEATED” at not seeing a bit of cock in a film?
I mean, REALLY?
It's nothing to do with wanting to see Armie Hammer's cock, it's the principle.
There were two mixed gender sex scenes in the movie that were (for this kind of film) fairly explicit and featured full frontal female nudity. The one gay sex scene and they pan away to a fucking tree. Surely you can see how that's kind of outrageous?
Was there full frontal female nudity? Ok, then that’s ridiculous...I don’t really remember it.
Yes. There are two sex scenes between Elio and Mariza. In one she's shown fully nude and he goes down on her.
I remember they happened. I don't remember the details particularly...
But Oliver goes down on Elio as well, remember...
I don't remember any minge, but I wasn't there for that.
If there was pussy, there should have been cock. Especially in a GAY FILM!
Maybe if they had hired GAY ACTORS they wouldn't have been so opposed to showing a bit of flesh (bc everyone would have seen their leaked Scruff gallery anyway).
Call me ridiculous, or just uncontrollably prone to random emotional breakdowns, but I think this is already one of my favourite films ever
It's so gorgeous.
Guadagnino is a complete god of filmmaking who seems to be completely in love with life. His films are such a delight.
I Am Love is fucking astonishing, this is really not far behind. I must watch A Bigger Splash again
I had no idea he’d done Io sono what an eye for beauty
And, quite contrary to VoR's opinion, I think Armie Hammer is fucking splendid in this film. He shows abundant emotion. There is no weak link in the cast, all (including the mother, who communicated so much while saying so little) are wonderful.
I watched this today and it was so-so. Yes. Cock. FREEZE THE FRAME MURIEL I THOUGHT I SAW A SEMI