General Election 2010 Day/Night and Aftermath Discussion

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  1. Toyah

    Toyah LOON PANTS

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    It would be the deputy leader of the Conservative party who would take over in the interim, whoever that is. Parliamentry democracy not Presidential democracy and all that...
     
  2. Mikey

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    Details of agreement being revealed now -

    Emergency budget in 50 days
    £6bn cuts in current financial year
    Scrap planned rise in NI contributions
    £10k tax threshold phased in
    Put off raise in inheritance tax threshold
    Lib Dems agreed to abstain on marriage tax vote
    Close scrutiny for entire Trident programme (funding, budget etc)
    Lib Dems giving up ambition to join the Euro (for this fixed term of Government)
    Referendum on any further EU matters
    Fixed term Parliament to be 5 years
     
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  3. Shirley

    Shirley BIG-HEARTED BUNNY

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    Pfft

    Talk about ROLLING OVER
     
  4. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    All sorts of detail leaking on the agreement.

    A raise in capital gains tax
    5 year fixed term governments
    no rise in NICs
    increase in personal allowances
    no transfer of additional powers to europe without referenda
    no raise in IHT threshold
    no raise in NIC lower earning limit
    trident spending to be closely scrutinised
    emergency finance bill within 50 days
     
  5. Shirley

    Shirley BIG-HEARTED BUNNY

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    Oh that CANNOT be TRUE
     
  6. Eddie

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    Can you please explain this clause to me because I'm not quite sure what it implies.
     
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  7. dmlaw

    dmlaw Democracy doesn't work

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    Oh. I'd best cancel the hit.
     
  8. Mikey

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    BBC Correspondent is saying we're going to have to wait for this in black and white as to whether it's a plan to legislate that in future we'll have fixed term Government for 5 years and/or whether they've got an agreement for this co-alition to last five years.
     
  9. Toyah

    Toyah LOON PANTS

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    Talk about selling your soul
     
  10. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    On the face of it, it removes te prime minister's perogative to call an
    election. The date of the next general election will be May 2015...

    I'm not sure what happens if a government collapses mid-term, or if a vote of confidence is lost though. I'm guessing a new election is called if a vote of confidence is lost and no new PM can form a government.

    Problem is, couldn't the leader of the largest party cause himself to lose a vote on purpose? I recall Gerhard Schröder doing this, and people weren't happy.
     
  11. rural juror

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    to be fair they had only ever wanted the euro referendum which neatly dovetails those two points. I can't see why they would have a problem with the electorate having a voice on these things...
     
  12. Eddie

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    What incentive did the Tories have to come to ANY agreement with the Liberal Democrats then? News reports suggest they were well funded (expecially in comparison to the other two parties) to fight another campaign. So if they were (almost) guaranteed a Conservative majority the second time around why not run with a minority government?

    That doesn't entirely ring true I'm afraid.
     
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  13. Madison

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    At 18% (10% after entrepreneurs' relief) it's not the highest of taxes I guess. It also gives a huge incentive for people to convert income into capital gains, especially when 50% IT rate kicks in.

    But it really is a big middle finger to business. I suspect they'll increase entrepreneurs' relief at the same time.
     
  14. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    It could be that he really is putting the country first. The coaliion will enable him to bring down the deficit in the most expedient way.
     
  15. Sild

    Sild New balls please

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    Clegg said during the campaign that there'd be a referendum on it if they came to power and they thought the economic conditions were right. So they've not lost anything there.
     
  16. SuGaR

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    Then vote no in a referendum. Simple. Independence aside, Lib Dem and SNP policies are very similar.

    Not that voting SNP will make any difference, of course. I'm absolutely convinced that Iain Gray, follower of the Glasgow Labour group in the Holyrood Parliament, will end up as Scotland's first minister next year. The size of the Labour majorities across large swathes of Scotland last week was quite frankly horrific, and although a lot of that was an anti-Tory vote, I still expect the SNP to lose a fair few of their FPTP seats in those areas. I also expect disgruntled Lib Dem voters to switch something like 50/35/15 to Labour, the SNP and Greens in that order. The resurgence of the latter party could really screw up the SNP's chances on the regional vote.

    Who also support a referendum on independence.

    Let's bomb China!
     
  17. Eddie

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    Precisely. A government could collapse on the instigation of Cameron's actions without him actually calling an election....if the Tories want to play it dirty.
     
  18. rural juror

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    exactly... As muich as I hate the topries being in power I'm impressed with some of the concessions the lib dems have got. I do think though as i've said earlier, this will cripple the lib dems long term as many people will turn back away from them.
     
  19. Eddie

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    Wouldn't a Confidence and Supply agreement with the Lib Dems have been enough for this though?
     
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  20. Madison

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    Ooh - I got this right. The cgt rise is targetted at non-trading assets.

    I look forward to see how they legislate this. Bound to be full of loopholes.
     
  21. Madison

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    It's not as good. The coalition is much more stable.
     
  22. Shirley

    Shirley BIG-HEARTED BUNNY

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    How bizarre. You'd think they'd ABOLISH it. Maybe there's more to this than meets my CYNICAL OLD EYE
     
  23. Eddie

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    Oh I totally refuse to give up being cynical about this.
     
  24. Madison

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    Well done Danny Alexander. Looks like he's bagged Scottish Secretary.
     
  25. Eddie

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    Yes, it's really depressing. I was out last night and tonight and heard about all this news late.

    I loved how the Tories were so desperate to get the Libs on side they would have a referendum on PR
     
  27. wendy the goat

    wendy the goat Теги возврата

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  28. Eddie

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    It will be interesting to see Nick Clegg sitting NEXT to David Cameron in the House Of Commons. Will the Liberal Democrats now not lose their voice to an extent?
     
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    Will the Tories and the Lib Dems have to merge colours, technically making them the new Green Party?
     
  30. Tetris-Rock

    Tetris-Rock one of those "they/thems"

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    Theresa May is Home Secretary apparently. They've clearly went for the route of picking someone who is a bit haughty and awful but will probably get the dreaded tasks done.

    Ken Clarke has moved from Business to Justice and is set to become Lord Chancellor, apparently. The business move was anticipated anyway as that's where they're sticking Vince Cable.
     
  31. Shirley

    Shirley BIG-HEARTED BUNNY

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    Michael Gove or Theresa May...who's WORSE?

    There's only one way to find out.........FIGHT!
     
  32. VoR

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    God I HATE Theresa May
     
  33. VoR

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    Yeah I'm sure Carla Brunei is BRICKING IT.
     
  34. Christian

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    I hate Michael Gove EVEN MORE
     
  35. funky

    funky OH SHE’LL HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK

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    Fight to the DEATH
     
  36. Madison

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    FUCKING THERESA MAY
     
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    The sultan's wife?
     
  38. Christian

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  40. Christian

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