Discussion in 'Moopy Moop' started by Sheena, Dec 28, 2018.
Sorry, the figure I gave included DVDs ie the "entertainment" market.
Which itself is a shrinking market.
And does the figure also include the digital and streaming market, or is it just the physical?
Just physical - it was on the BBC.
Oh right - and it seems it includes gaming as well. Yet the forecast is still that the market will shrink by 17% in 2019. Clearly unsustainable in its present guise.
I imagine during my 20s (at least until I got a mortgage) I spent well over £1000 a year on music and video. Probably considerably more than that when I was living at home.
I paid over £100 on my Spotify subscription in 2018, but I didn't spend half that much on physical music, for myself at least.
In a world where people are QUITE HAPPY to spend £3 on a fucking COFFEE, it irks me that the same refuse to spend money on music they can keep FOREVER...
The default for music is now "free". That's the problem.
People are willing to pay £££ for the EXPERIENCE in terms of a gig or live show - but yes, it's as if they aren't attaching value to the music in and of itself.
I've just been in the HMV on Argyle Street. Packed out but no queues at the tills, just lots of people idly looking at stuff and wondering aloud if it'll be cheaper "before they close". Someone even asked a passing staff member if they were closing. They said there would be a list of stores online that would close. "Will you do a better sale?" Imagine doing that to someone whose job is at risk...being more interested in if you could get another fiver off a pair of headphones if the place just fucking shuts down. She was a right mutant as well.
Although people like me are willing to spend a fortune on vinyl even if I already have it on another format. I'm guessing the majority wouldn't though!
Yes. The number of people who pay big dollars to attend a gig and drink and shout all the way through it is mind-boggling. I think music as a commodity has been cheapened massively - live music especially is less an experience and more just something to do. I think it's the way consumption has changed in our world.
If anything happens to Fopp I'll be devastated. I haven't been to an HMV in years because it's a horrible experience, but I buy nearly all of my film and music from Fopp. And it makes me feel like a conossieur.
Ugh, what a horrible lack of empathy. I remember the last time I felt so sorry for the people working there who faced uncertainty.
Humanity will be sorry when the singularity comes and we have to go back to playing music by pointing a bright light at some shiny plastic.
I just think the value in music has probably shifted to the merchandise. Again, HMV couldn't cater for EVERY demographic, but I imagine there is money to be had if they were able to stock tour t-shirts and the like, rather than generically branded t-shirts that are available for a quarter of the price in Primark.
I wouldn’t be surprised in the near future if some of the shop space in the high street was filled with Amazon delivery lockers. It would make easier on their couriers. Instead of driving around the suburbs knocking on doors and leaving cards.
I HOPE NOT
Home delivery seems convenient if they bring it to my home. Even if they leave it in the recycling bin or something. If I have to go to the high street after all then what would be the point in that.
Oh arse, they've already closed the purehmv portal. (Well, it's 'under maintenance' )
All my lovely points, wasted.
I always use the collection lockers when available because home delivery isn’t all that convenient for my flat as I inevitably have to sign for something as proof of delivery, then end up waiting until the weekend to get to the sorting office which leaves the whole Amazon Prime next day delivery service redundant.
My nearest locker is across the street anyway and all the big high streets are on my way to/from work, which is why I always opt for Click and Collect with other online orders.
Of course they have, first thing to go. I wonder if they've stopped taking vouchers...
Oh, a woman I work with had a disaster with that. Courier left the package in the bin but put the card through the wrong door. The bin was out to be collected so her new tea set went straight in the bin lorry; by the time the neighbour had given her the card, it was too late and the bin had been collected.
Oh no! What value would they have been?
Do they always announce these things after Christmas to con people into getting Christmas gift vouchers that they won't be able to use?
The massive HMV in Oxford Circus used to be my prime meeting point in town with friends. If any of us were late we were fine browsing and buying for ages when waiting. The Sports Direct there now is just depressing. I once went in there looking for a decent pair of sports socks and just found walls and walls of the same football shirts on all floors. They didn’t even have any socks for women either. How the fuck does Sports Direct stay afloat with a shit flagship store like that?
I use Amazon lockers for anything too big for my letterbox. Although my local one (at the end of the road) is increasingly more often full and I have to pick one by work instead and then carry whatever it is home.
I love coming home to find a HUGE Amazon package with the doormat casually laid on top.
It never ceases to amuse me.
That's London for you though. Can't see lockers making their way to Yorkshire villages.
Amazon parcels were very rarely left like that for me - it was either with a neighbour or back to the sorting office. And our sorting office is a real ballache to get to - it's not on the way to or from anywhere, and so required an out of the way trip that would take at least an hour.
Lockers were a gift for me. Although the fact that Amazon firstly destroyed the high st, then replaced it figuratively and now pretty much literally isn't lost on me.
Perhaps not lockers, but if they have a post office, they will almost certainly have local collect, which is essentially the same service.
That's the trouble - the Amazon depot is really inaccessible for me and I don't like having stuff left with randoms. Or damaged by poor packaging. The Post Office is vastly less of a hassle so something oversized bought from the marketplace will almost always go there.
They brought it on themselves.
I'd have been sad a few years ago but now I can't give a fuck. Their own fault completely.
OK. How would you have done it?
We don't have an Amazon depot - it goes to the same sorting office, Amazon direct or marketplace.
The potential closure list is brutal:
-Bury St Edmunds
-Covent Garden (Fopp)
-Edinburgh Ocean Terminal
-Glasgow Argyle Street
-Glasgow Byres (Fopp)
-Glasgow Union (Fopp)
-Manchester Trafford Centre
-Oxford Street, London W1
-Portsmouth Gun Wharf
-Sheffield High Street
-Westfield White City
That includes all three Glasgow stores and - I think - a wipeout of Fopp.
Well maybe so but I give a fuck that plenty of people may be out of jobs.
I’m guilty of buying physical products from Amazon rather than HMV. This is only due to Amazon also putting it into your Amazon library for online access and on the app for phone access too which is perfect as most albums I play are via my headphones on the phone these days. Does buying from HMV online offer a similar service?
As an aside went in to HMV today as I was passing anyway, the sale is pretty good.
Erm, how many stores does that leave?
A post office in a village? In the 21st century? Don't be ridiculous
Bath isn't on it, either. Or the out of town one here.
Most places still have one. They are just hidden in something else.
Oh poor Thanet, my local one . I popped in there after work it was rather busy. People must have been cashing in those gift cards