HMV about to go into administration again

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  1. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    It may be down to floor space. It's small. But it's the end of an era - they've been there for 30 years.
     
  2. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    Bristol Cribbs Causeway is the out of town one. It's not really Bristol at all - I'm closer to HMV Bath. That closure is a blow.
     
  3. dmlaw

    dmlaw Democracy doesn't work

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    I'll miss the Manchester Fopp, but it's less than two minutes walk from the city centre HMV so I guess it's not that much of a surprise that they don't need both of them.
     
  4. Kalabaliken

    Kalabaliken Judging you in Google Translate

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    Full list of closures is:

    Ayr
    Bath
    Bluewater
    Bristol, Cribbs
    Chichester
    Exeter, Princesshay
    Fopp, Bristol
    Fopp, Glasgow Byres
    Fopp, Manchester
    Fopp, Oxford
    Glasgow, Braehead
    Guernsey
    Hereford
    Manchester, Trafford
    Merry Hill
    Oxford Street
    Peterborough, Queensgate
    Plymouth, Drake Circus
    Reading
    Sheffield, Meadowhall
    Southport
    Thurrock
    Tunbridge
    Uxbridge
    Watford
    Westfield
    Wimbledon
     
  5. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    If there are 9 Fopps, they've therefore kept 5.
     
  6. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    I went into Oxford Fopp yesterday. It was deserted and quite rubbish.
     
  7. Slave

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    I guess the rent at Cribbs would be higher, but last time I was in Bristol town centre, there were so many vacant retail spots that I can’t imagine the footfall is heavy there at all.
     
  8. dmlaw

    dmlaw Democracy doesn't work

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    Looks like pretty much all of the out-of-town shopping centre stores are going with Trafford Centre, Meadowhall, Bluewater, Lakeside and Braehead all on the list. I guess they'll be the most expensive to run and probably not the market that the new owners are going for.
     
  9. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    Oh it's worse than I thought then. Of the four branches nearest me, we're losing three.

    Mr L will be most upset.
     
  10. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    Well spotted, that's a definite trend in the closures.
     
  11. ButterTart

    ButterTart Welcome to die

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    I’m not sure how the Nuneaton branch was spared the rod but I’m sure both of their customers will be thrilled.
     
  12. Ag

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    Colchester survives. Huzzah!
     
  13. Beverley

    Beverley I Don't Wanna Change A THI-ING

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    I am death. I love the Manchester Fopp so much. I haven't been into the HMV for years. :(
     
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  14. SDF

    SDF The Wait is Over

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    I’m sad to see so many fopps go, but selfishly pleased we’ve retained both the HMV and Fopp stores in Edinburgh.

    I think keeping 100 stores open overall is probably the best anyone could have hoped for. And I’m glad Mike Ashley and hasn’t got his mitts on it.
     
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  15. Alex

    Alex Go fish

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    :( I knew it was doomed
     
  16. FetchFugly

    FetchFugly closing in again

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    I was very pleasantly surprised to find my local branch open at lunchtime today. Yay for presumably comparably cheap rent in rough old Harlow. 100 shops left open feels like a much better outcome than seemed at all likely.

    I do wonder at what point keeping Fopp as a separate chain stops being worthwhile? I would have thought the cost of individual branding for five shops outweighs the gain from customers who like Fopp better - especially as it sounds like HMV might be moving towards being more music (well vinyl) focused anyway.
     
  17. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    Thing is, they've run Fopp as EXACTLY THE SAME OLD SHITE as HMV for ages anyway. It's hardly the music-lovers' paradise it was once billed to be...
     
  18. Shirley

    Shirley YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

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    You know it was it really was

    BACK IN THE DAY

    I got quite CARRIED AWAY in the EDINBURGH one
     
  19. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    Yeah, my kneejerk 'poor Fopp' made me realise I was thinking of the Fopp of over a decade ago.
     
  20. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    Oh I know! I used to TRAVEL to go to one. All those £1 CDs they'd reclaimed from unsold supermarket stock...

    It shows something that the last time I went to Bristol, I couldn't even be arsed going in when I was parked just down the road.
     
  21. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    I remember the very first time I went to that Fopp (Cockburn St?), I came out with a stack of CDs for about forty quid. A lot which were long since discontinued in the UK.
     
  22. Suedey

    Suedey King of Beauty

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    Southampton AND Bournemouth survived? WOW :disco:

    For all my protestations earlier, I can only say that I AM PLEASED :disco:
     
  23. Suedey

    Suedey King of Beauty

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    Fopp Charing X also survives! YAY :disco:
     
  24. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    I dunno, I always found the Union Street Fopp vastly more rewarding than the HMV nearby. Maybe that's down to store management but they did have a less mainstream selection on clear display whilst still having the new Little Mix or Ariana Grande.
     
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  25. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    Southampton has been closed for MONTHS
     
  26. Suedey

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    I thought it was 'relocating' to West Quay?
     
  27. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    Yeah, I used to do the same - they'd get clearout stock that had usually been rescued for a warehouse or a bust distributor but that was part of what finished the original Fopp. They bought Music Zone stock from the administrator that the labels hadn't been paid for and got into a row about it. The industry played brinkmanship by denying them new releases and when the bank found out they weren't getting new stock, they bailed out, rendering them bankrupt. So everyone lost.
     
  28. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    Same as they said with Portsmouth. "It's not us, it's just high rents, we'll be back". And then nothing.
     
  29. Suedey

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    :(

    I suppose I'll have Bournemouth then. It's a nice one too. Picked up some Eurythmics vinyl there a few weeks ago...
     
  30. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    The original owner of Fopp played an absolute blinder in the 90's. He was pissed off at ordering Miles Davis LPs that were marked "available" and then never getting them. He phoned up and asked why. They said they needed an order of 3000 to repress. So he duly ordered up 3000 each of a clutch of his favourite MD titles. He would sell boxes of them in bulk to European distros and sell the rest in the stores. Legendary behaviour.
     
  31. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    Is that entirely true? Clearout stock that they had was mainly sale or return stuff from supermarkets which hadn't sold- lost count of the time I'd seen a Sainsbury's sticker under a Fopp one- and supermarkets never had clearouts. I thought it was that it was HMV who was just pissed off at their business model and threatened boycotting major label new releases if the labels continued to serve Fopp in that way. I seem to remember the Fopp boss having a rant about it when they closed down- saying they weren't viable anymore thanks to this. I can't remember them ever going bankrupt...
     
  32. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    Although Wikipedia suggests you were right- maybe there was a "saving face" news story at the time...
     
  33. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    The Music Zone stock went out as soon as they were denied new releases - they needed to put something on the shelves. I bought several things that still had Music Zone stickers (or the residue thereof) on them.

    Most of their cheap stock wasn't from supermarkets but European distributors who couldn't shift stuff more popular here in the UK or fitting with Fopp's specialities which, at that time, were electronica and jazz (and non-landfill indie).
     
  34. octophone

    octophone smack your lips (clap your teeth)

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    Fopp did go under. They closed for "emergency stocktake" and were cash only for about two weeks and then just closed one day. Without paying their staff who had been promised they would get paid despite the situation. HMV stepped in, bought the name and reopened some of the stores.
     
  35. FetchFugly

    FetchFugly closing in again

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    The online store seems to be missing in action at the moment. So much of the stock was sold out before, presumably they are just replenishing or giving it a makeover.
     
  36. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    It's been down a little while...
     
  37. octophone

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    I was in the Glasgow stores today. No new stock but some re-arranging going on in Fopp. The two assistants in the HMV were saying things along the lines of "we need to get new stuff in, man - it's pure dead" (which it was) with one of them speculating about what they could expect; he seemed to think the specialist stock (i.e. jazz, metal etc) would be wound down. This could of course be speculation rather than anything he had actually heard and it would sort-of run counter to what the new owner has been saying: Glasgow is a big metal town, he would want them to expand that and move it to a more prominent place.

    Anyway, I still can't get either of the two 70's Bowie albums I remain without so, aye, hurry up distributors. Surely they'll have Ariana tomorrow?
     
  38. FetchFugly

    FetchFugly closing in again

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    They tweeted that they will have the Ariana album.
     
  39. ManicKangaroo

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    FOPP in Byres Road has been given a reprieve and will reopen following a groundswell of support from customers and bands.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47177001
     
  40. FetchFugly

    FetchFugly closing in again

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    The landlord has made it more worth their while then.

    There is a piece in The Guardian in which the new owner even seems to be saying that reopening the Oxford Street branch isn't out of the question.

    https://www.theguardian.com/busines...putman-relishing-the-fight-to-save-all-stores

    'We would even be willing to keep it open and lose money'.

    I'm not sure as far as business plans go this is the best start.
     

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