Discussion in 'Current Affairs & Debate' started by Ag, Aug 6, 2018.
I've never voted for the Labour Party and I don't intend to start NOW!
Although the Labour candidate has always been my SECOND CHOICE when voting for London Mayor. I know, we ALL have to make COMPROMISES!
peekaboo secret tory
The EHRC report is out and it's pretty damning.
This puts Starmer in a very tough position. Expel Corbyn from the party and he potentially takes a sizeable swathe of the left with him (I wouldn't put it past him to start a new party, which could split the left wing vote horribly if people actually go with him) or keep him around and this most likely never goes away.
This is going to GO OFF
Although, I do think most people have now come around to the idea that he was an utter disaster, so maybe it's better for all involved to just cut the chord.
Keir Starmer himself has said that there is "no finding of anti-semitism against Jeremy Corbyn in the report".
He's been suspended for his statement on facebook.
Hopefully the party's complaints process is better under Keir, although based on never hearing back about complaints of transphobia made a few months back, I'd imagine there's still some work to be done..
Well that'll be me handing in my membership then
Jeremy Corbyn's statement today was just a demonstration of how bad at politics he is if nothing else. Of course, contradicting the report was going to have to draw a response from Starmer.
I'm sure that distinction will be made very clear in the news reports on this, and definitely won't be deliberately muddied
The suspension is a mess of Jeremy’s own making. He hasn’t really given the party any other choice with that statement. The man is in utter denial.
I don't think he's actually a raging anti-semite, but it is obvious that his long engagement with Palestine had left him with a massive blind spot to just how sensitive of an issue antisemitism in the UK is. He's been utterly tone-deaf on it from day one, and he absolutely presided over a culture that he could have done much, much more to quash.
Sadly, even now he's incapable of seeing this through any prism other than his own victimhood. He's painted himself and the party into a corner. I think getting rid is probably the only way Labour is ever going to be able to move on from this.
What a sad and undignified end to something that was once so genuinely hopeful.
Corbyn really gave Labour no chance other than to suspend him. Starmer had already warned that people who react to the report by blaming the left's political enemies had no place in the party and then Corbyn immediately does exactly that. If he hadn't been suspended then Starmer would have looked ridiculously weak.
He was the fly in Labour's ointment as leader and he's still that fly even afterwards
That all said I feel sorry for him. He cannot win this battle either way. I don't actually believe he's an anti semite.
I do agree. All of this could have been avoided if he had even an ounce of pragmatism.
He was in an un-winnable situation either way I agree, but I struggle to see how he could have handled it worse.
If you're waiting for the 'I'm sorry' he does begrudgingly slip one out after about two minutes of self-aggrandising defensiveness.
Oh and he ends on an 'All lives matter' statement for good measure.
Utterly, utterly clueless.
The EHRC report says that the LOTO's office getting involved in disciplinary matters is in breach of equality law and that "Article 10 will protect Labour Party members who express their opinions on internal Party matters, such as the scale of antisemitism within the Party, based on their own experience and within the law."
FUCK 'EM AND START YOUR OWN PARTY JEZZA
I really doubt the general public care about this much AT ALL, especially this far away from another election.
I'm sure if anything most will be HAPPY about Corbyn's suspension.
It was amazing how many people I saw coming out of the woodwork in December pretending they cared about the Jewish community and saying THAT was the reason they voted for the anti-immigrant, homophobic, islamophobic, elitist Tories. These same people haven’t once mentioned antisemitism in the wake of the election.
In what is clearly an entirely coincidental bit of timing, here's another attempt to tie a prominent left wing politician in the US to antisemitism:
Note how the tweet tries to make out he hadn't moved on from white supremacy to authoritarianism, as is clear from both the screenshot and the article itself. Please also note that conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel (as this tweet appears to) is itself one of the IHRA's definitions of antisemitism.
As I've said before I do think there were incidents of AS in Labour, and I think they should have been handled better. I also strongly feel that there has been a degree of bad-faith weaponising of the language of social justice to attack Corbyn and anyone who supports him. Now that it's been proven to be effective, I think we're going to see it used again and again against people on the left, and people who support the pro-Palestinian cause, and I find that quite worrying.
The campaign against antisemitism has submitted complaints against a number of Labour MPs, including current deputy leader Angela Rayner.
It'll be interesting to see if Labour stick to their zero tolerance stance by suspending the MPs while they investigate, or abandon it at the first hurdle. I imagine it'll be a mess regardless.
Just delete the party now.
How dare they come for DI quite frankly.
THE WAY KEIR STARMER OVER EMPHASISES RANDOM WORDS AND SYLLABLES SEVERAL TIMES A SENTENCE REALLY BUGS ME.
Well is less annoying than CAN I FINISH?
Nancy’s CAPS confused me!
FUCK wrong thread!
I think the problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party is 100% real but suspending Corbyn isn’t going to solve it.
I do absolutely think that antisemitism has been weaponised by the Tories to attack Labour but the issue is very much real. A friend of mine was one of the whistleblowers that went to court earlier in the year and I have absolutely no reason to believe that anything they have said to me privately about it is untrue.
He's back in...
Jeremy Corbyn readmitted to Labour after suspension over antisemitism report
Sent via @updayUK
Ooh... She's making a comeback.
(beaten to it!)
WELCOME BACK JEZZA
So for all that talk about a wicked centrist plot to purge him forever, it turns out all he needed to do was... actually acknowledge the problem and apologise?
OH JEREMY CORBYN
He did do this multiple times over the past couple of years, just to be clear.