How do you solve a problem like Ukraine?

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  1. VoR

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    For those interested in Eastern Bloc politics, The Guardian have a good profile on Belarus on their website today.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/09/-sp-belarus-remains-revolution-behind

     
  2. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Has our Ei updated her FB status over the last few days? Did she make it out of Minsk?
     
  3. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    I believe she was at the ballet. Hopefully she didn't get caught sniffing the crotches of leotards backstage.
     
  4. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Bless her.
     
  5. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    Minsk is lovely. I was going to go to a few of the neighbouring villages but I didn't fancy 2.5 hours on the coach one way. Belarus has been called the last dictatorship in Europe. Lukashenko has held onto power since 1994 and the country is the only one in Europe with the death penalty. The KGB still exists here too.
     
  6. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Where are you off to now, hun?
     
  7. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    Tomorrow I enter Vilnius! I actually have a mate joining me too given that it's somewhere normal people want to go to :o
     
  8. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    How have you found it all so far?
     
  9. VoR

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    Are you doing all the Baltics?
     
  10. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    I am, VoR! Louf - it's been fabulous. I'm worried about how much cash I've spent but the only blip was my arrival in Belarus, which you've already seen on fb. I would have liked to perhaps have done more clubbing but the scenery and guide book recommendations have been good enough! Old Tbilisi was my favourite bit.
     
  11. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Glad you've enjoyed it babe. The former USSR is not for everyone (especially ME).
     
  12. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Although this has dropped off the radar in terms of headlines, the Russian economy is going down the toilet thanks to the supposedly "ineffectual" Western sanctions. The ruble has plunged to its lowest point since the debt default of 1998, and Exxon has announced that it won't be helping the Russians extract the vast oil field just discovered in the Arctic.

    Meanwhile, the minister of foreign affairs has called for a "second reset" in relations with the US.

    Although my head says sanctions should be eased so that the economy can stabilise, my heart says that the West should refuse any further dialogue with an increasingly paranoid and untrustworthy regime.
     
  13. VoR

    VoR #Justice4JLo

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    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobil...ams-of-uniting-ex-soviet-states/509268.html …

     
  14. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    The Eurasian Union is a complete joke. You have Russia, whose currency is falling through the floor, Belarus, formerly Europe's last dictatorship, and Kazakhstan, a country Putin has made suggestions about annexing once the current President dies.
     
  15. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Don't forgot soon to be member - Armenia. Their president did the same EU u-turn that caused Mr Yanokovich's downfall. Instead of a revolution, it's going to join a custom union with which it has no land border :manson:
     
  16. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    I'm sure he was handsomely paid for the privilege, or at least given the chance to escape with his life.
     
  17. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    How free and fair are Russian elections? How likely is it that Putin could be ousted soon?
     
  18. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Not at all, and very unlikely unless there's a palace coup.

    He is genuinely enormously popular in Russia. The 80% figure is probably a little high, because Russians think everything is monitored (with good reason), so lie in polls. But the sanctions have only served to make Russians feel embattled, and create a kind of nationalist zeal that didn't exist 10 years ago.
     
  19. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    I do wonder whether the West is secretly happy that Putin refuses to pull out of Eastern Ukraine, as it allows them to keep sanctions in place, which will eventually lead to economic collapse. But it will be a long road.
     
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    A rather interesting article about the Crimean annexation (that nobody seems to think about nowadays):

    Turkey "pressed"
     
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  21. VoR

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    http://uatoday.tv/news/parliamentar...elmingly-for-pro-european-parties-388194.html

     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...residents-allies-early-count-petro-poroshenko

     
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    I thought the big reason that Putin was so popular in the first place was that he was finally bringing prosperity to ordinary Russians after the horrors of the 90s? How long could a sense of embattlement really last in terms of him keeping support?
     
  24. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Whatever happened to Yanukovych in the end?
     
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    He's doing Eurovision next year
     
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    Jætike Gay horses eat hay

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    Great timing since Zlata Ognevich joined Oleh Lyashko's Radical Party
     
  27. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Don't overestimate the economic argument. Russians like (rather than accept) Putin for the overall stability he has brought. The ruble may be falling, but Russia's currency reserves can prop up the economy for a good two years.
     
  28. Ag

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    It's a long road then. I haven't really been following but aren't the next elections now forever plus one away... Putin's got a while to fuck up. I'd love to see him fall from grace.
     
  29. Loufoque

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    Won't happen for at least five to ten years, IMO.
     
  30. Ag

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    He's in it for the long run, so the opportunity is there. Although he's the kind of cunt to jump ship when things get impossible in order to preserve his legacy. I'd prefer a bloody coup.
     
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  31. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    The latest rumours suggest he has cancer, although that could be wishful thinking. They say he looks puffy because of steroid injections - I think it's more likely that someone so vain took a trip to Madonna's surgeon, frankly.
     
  32. Ag

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    That would be karma.
     
  33. Loufoque

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    Cancer or Madonna's surgeon?
     
  34. Loufoque

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    The problem I have with a Putin overthrow is that he will only eventually be replaced by another dictator. Russians are not evolved enough for democracy (sorry, this is very un-PC, but I find it to be true). They love to be led, herded, and after years of independent thought being stifled, coupled with a bad experience of Wild West democracy in the 90s, they are unlikely to choose anything else but a strong leader.
     
  35. Madison

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    Maybe cross fingers that he retires or dies (he's relatively old right?), and lets Medvedev come back to power?
     
  36. Loufoque

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    And Medvedev, having been schooled in the mechanisms of repression, would be so much better... Getting rid of the head of a police state is one thing - changing the culture that enables it is another.
     
  37. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Would it not be a little bit better?
     
  38. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Who knows. I personally wouldn't see him lasting long, and then who knows what would come next...
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ic-union-russia-belarus-kazakhstan?CMP=twt_gu

     
  40. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    Always good to see my favoured central Asian republics in the news.
     

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