J. K. Rowling is a TERF

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  1. COB

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    I read that earlier, I love how Butler didn't take the bait with those crappy weighted questions and outright rejected the framing of several of them :disco:
     
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    All the awful TERF-y hacks weighed in that it was TOO DENSE and DIFFICULT for them to understand.
     
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    WELL OBVIOUSLY.
     
  4. Jark

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    Judith Butler is a total (gender non-binary) QUEEN! the interviewer seemed like a real CUNT!
     
  5. COB

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    Some of us just like to read :disco:
     
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    The only reason the NS let Judith Butler speak is because they are already a noted authority. If I was to say something similar, I would just be subject to the usual insults and abuse.

    I guarantee you their next edition will have a piece about why Judith Butler is wrong about everyfink mainly because the interviewer lacked the intelligence to have a discussion at their level.
     
  7. straightorbroken

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    I would love to have had Judith as a lecturer. I was very pleased to read her answers. I assume she was sent questions via email rather than a skype type thing as the interviewer was just throwing questions out like popcorn.
     
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    So apparently an open letter defending Rowling has been written and signed by numerous arseholes:


    Ian McEwan, author
    Lionel Shriver, author
    Griff Rhys Jones, actor
    Graham Linehan, writer [sic]
    Maureen Chadwick, writer
    Andrew Davies, writer
    Frances Barber, actress
    Craig Brown, writer
    Alexander Armstrong, actor
    Amanda Craig, writer
    Philip Hensher, writer
    Susan Hill, writer
    Jane Thynne, writer
    Ben Miller, actor
    Simon Fanshawe, writer
    James Dreyfus, actor
    Frances Welch, writer
    Francis Wheen, writer
    Arthur Matthews, writer
    Aminatta Forna, writer
    Joan Smith, writer
    Nick Cohen, journalist
    Kath Gotts, composer & lyricist
    Ann McManus, writer
    Eileen Gallagher, writer & producer
    Jimmy Mulville, producer
    Lizzie Roper, actress
    Stella O’Malley, author
    Nina Paley, animator
    Julie Bindel, journalist
    Abigail Shrier, journalist
    Rachel Rooney, author
    Jane Harris, writer
    Tatsuya Ishida, cartoonist
    Lisa Marchiano, author
    Zuby, musician and author
    Debbie Hayton, journalist [and physics teacher]
    Gillian Philip, author
    Jonny Best, musician
    Manick Govinda, arts consultant
    Russell Celyn Jones, writer
    Magi Gibson, writer
    Victoria Whitworth, writer
    Dr Mez Packer, writer
    Grace Carley, producer
    Sam Leith, journalist
    Malcolm Clark, television producer-director [and LGB Alliance director]
    Shirley Wishart, musician
    Charlotte Delaney, writer
    Nehanda Ferguson, musician
    Justin Hill, writer
    Trezza Azzopardi, writer
    Birdy Rose, artist
    Jess de Wahls, textile artist
    Mo Lovatt, writer
    Simon Edge, novelist
    Tom Stoppard, playwright
    Amanda Smyth, writer
     
  9. Gangsta Nancy Lam

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    There's approximately five people I've heard of in that list of no-marks, and who knew TOM STOPPARD was still with us?
     
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    They really do think safety in numbers is going to stop them being comprehensively cancelled don’t they...
     
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    Of course Frances Barber is there. Her enduring friendship and working relationship with Pet Shop Boys continues to rankle. Ditch that evil cow, guys!

    Alexander “fox hunter” Armstrong too... I fucking despise him.
     
  12. COB

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    Is that the same Arthur Matthews who co-wrote Father Ted? He's kept a very low profile while Linehan was being an open lunatic about all this stuff... I always assumed they didn't share the same view on this stuff (wishful thinking maybe), but I guess not.
     
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    Yep, I think it’s him. Very disappointing indeed.
     
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    From what I can gather they are not defending her opinions but they're against the abuse she has received online. At least, that's what a few of the signees have said.
     
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    Ah yes, that old chestnut. It’s bullshit. Rowling made her disgusting, hateful and highly dangerous views known and now doesn’t like the consequences. Tough shit luv.
     
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    Having read the letter, it talks exclusively about the online abuse she receives and gives absolutely no context for why she might be getting criticised, the harm her rhetoric does to trans people, or the abuse people on her side of things have been dishing out for years.
     
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    Exactly. Her views enable others who then go on to abuse and assault trans people. Are these signatories really so thick that they can’t see that?
     
  18. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    Yeah, it's shit. You can't defend her without acknowledging why she's getting the abuse in the first place.
     
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    The letter talks about the online abuse she's received in a way that strips it of any context whatsoever, with no mention of why her views might be criticised or how what she says causes harm to a vulnerable community. At this point if you're publicly defending her in this way, when all the information on what she stands for is available, I think it can be taken as read that you're probably not doing it strictly on free speech grounds.
     
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    Oops, I thought that hadn't posted so I basically rewrote it :D
     
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    We had to do Arcadia for A-Level English Lit. so it comes as no surprise to me that Tom Stoppard is a total fucking cunt.
     
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    This might have been posted before, but Mermaids posted this a while ago, in response to Rowling's blog post. The whole thing is worth a read, but this bit in particular is heartbreaking:
     
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    Devastating.
     
  24. Kalabaliken

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    I'm willing to bet MANY of the people signing this haven't thought of that though, they're just looking at it on face value. The woman who created the letter has been constantly barraging people on Twitter to co-sign it.

    I don't agree that JK should be receiving death threats though, because that's just giving her and her supporters fuel for the fire. I understand that people get very passionate about things though and it's easy to get caught up in the moment.
     
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  25. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    Considering the level of publicity her views have got, I don't think looking at it at face value is an acceptable reason. Or at least, not unless any of them condemn her views with an equal vigour that they are condemning attacks on her.
     
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    Nobody should be getting death threats, it's true. I reject the notion that the threats are only coming from one side though, which seems to be how the letter (and the broader "I stand with JK" movement) is attempting to frame things.
     
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    Well someone needs some ATONEMENT.

    Also:

    The missing of the T says it all.
     
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    The others may as well be ex Sugababes members for all I know.
     
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    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    There's a lot of names I don't know on that list, but the ones I do know must mostly be in their 60s and older. I'm guessing Armstrong, Miller and Linehan must be amongst the youngest on it, but I believe they are all in their 50s.
     
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    Ugh Birdy Rose is younger I think (or certainly trying to look it) I googled her because I wondered if that was Skinny Love Birdy and thankfully not.

    There’s a sumptuous array of celebrity portraits with their transphobic quotes, if anyone is interested? Jaded Karen Rowling, Graham Linehan, all the faves! They look a bit like those BitStrips you used to get on Facebook.
    Nobody?
     
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    She's also an artist with 79 followers on instagram, which tells you all you need to know about the barrel they scraped for these signatories :D
     
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  32. octophone

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    Fuck's sake, I'VE got more than that.

    Disappointed in Armstrong and Miller but not surprised.
     
  33. octophone

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    I get semi-regular death/rape/other assault threats on social media because that's being trans on the internet in 2020 - you can usually tell when it's been rough because that's when I'll have a non-face profile pic. Rowling has absolutely ramped that up with her entitled, short-sighted narcissistic horseshit. All the dog whistles like wearing a t-shirt from a site that sells transphobic merchandise are completely calculated to generate this effect. She has done every single piece of this on purpose.
     
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    What we need is a counter attack, a letter AGAINST JK Rowling and see who we can get to sign THAT.
     
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    I missed this, when did she do this?
     
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    Old Time Team Tony Robinson has tweeted out that HE would have signed the letter HAD HE BEEN ASKED.

    Imagine letting everyone know that you’re a cunt AND irrelevant to boot.
     
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    And the stuff the shop sells

     
  39. octophone

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    Fucking grim, isn't it?
     
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    what a vile site :gross:

    I had no idea about that particular facet to this whole sorry affair but FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOU AGAIN, JOANNE
     

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