Julia Gillard becomes Australia's first female Prime Minister

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  1. Commotion

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    Australia really is VERY provincial and outside Sydney and Melbourne it is BACKWARD.

    About 6 weeks ago I was in Sydney and was very impressed by how modern and relaxed and cosmopolitan it felt. I was staying in the centre.

    Well I took a 3 day trip to Katoomba - a village in the Blue Mountains. On my 2nd evening there I took a walk to Echo Point to see the sun set over the Blue Mountains - very beautiful. Afterwards I was walking back to my hotel alone (at about 9pm) minding my own business when a beercan narrowly missed my head, and slammed into the wall. It had been thrown by a group of yobs from a car who roared 'You big faggot' at me.

    2 weeks later while I was in Perth with a female friend having a walk in Kings Park in the evening. A similar thing happened - a busload of teenagers drove past and they were all screaming 'FAGS'at us.

    I might not be the butchest in the world, but on neither occasion was I doing anything more extreme than walking.

    I had a great holiday but I thought to myself 'People would not behave like that in Europe, that type of behaviour is way too backward and uncivilise, even if people may be thinking it.'
     
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    This is a ridiculous bunch of statements to make. I could easily name MANY places in the UK this would happen and many more in which things MUCH WORSE than this would happen. Teenagers are dicks wherever you go and NEWSFLASH are just as bad in Europe.
     
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    Oh I know. But what happened, happened.

    And strangely enough the ONLY 2 times such things have happened to me were in recent weeks in Australia.

    I'm not saying all Australians are backward and primitive and bigoted. Nor am I saying that all Europeans are civilised and pleasant.

    I am merely saying that my personal experience of troglodyte homophobia was at its worst ever in Australia.
     
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  4. delirium

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    Well that's very different to what you actually said but fair enough.

    I think the easy thing to forget about Australia compared with Europe is that it's extremely easy to be 20/30 minutes outside a big city of millions and be in the middle of nowhere. Katoomba - the place you mentioned - only has 8,000 residents. Now, I know you didn't do this, but go to many villages that size across Europe and start camping it up and I'm sure the local teenagers would have similar reactions.

    In many ways Australia is better compared to the USA in terms of patches of big cities and then horrible wastelands of ignorance. Europe is not a valid comparison most of the time.
     
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    I wasn't camping it up though.

    I was walking down the road minding my own business.

    And the fact that it happened on 2 separate occasions on either side of the country within the space of a few weeks was very strange and scary.
     
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    Well, whatever happened. Your own point isn't that it was your behaviour that was outrageous but that they knew you were gay and reacted according to their own ridiculous values. I'm guessing you were doing something for them to know. Australians aren't exactly known for their psychological mind reading.
     
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    Perhaps i was - although aside from the bag I was wearing (which was black and Nike) I can't think what? But it's sort of irrelevant.

    To have a beercan chucked at your head from a moving vehicle and get called a 'big faggot' is scary, (not to mention potentially very dangerous.)

    I was willing to chalk it down to experience and the fact that they were young and stupid and I was out in the country.

    But then 2 weeks later to have a similar thing happen in Perth (no beercan this time, just verbal abuse) while walking in the park with a female friend, really didn't paint a positive picture of Australia in terms of safety and security for gay people.

    And then to see the video of police brutality against that kid at Mardi Gras, and Julia Gillard's stubborn, incomprehensible bigotry, is very creepy indeed.

    For me it begs the question. Just what is going on in Australia when it comes to gay rights.
     
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    Well that kid at Mardi Gras thing is very circumspect. Did you see the video posted a few days later from a few minutes previous? He was going crazy and kicking the policeman in the face. I suspect he WILL go down for resisting arrest.

    And Julia Gillard isn't exactly advancing gay rights when it comes to marriage but, equally, she's doing the same as the majority of world leaders, i.e. nothing at all. In terms of gay rights, the only thing that gay Australians can't do is marry. They have exactly the same legal rights as hetrosexual couples. A right that some, e.g. Americans, don't enjoy.

    Anyway, it sounds like you had a very negative yet subjective experience. That's rubbish for you :( On the other hand I've been here 4 years now, been to 5 of the States, 5 of the big cities and numerous smaller towns and NEVER had a problem. Obviously you're going to judge Australia through the lens of what happened to you, which is unfortunate. But it's not necessarily like that for everyone.
     
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    Haven't two other Moopy posters posted similar things in the last page?
     
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    About subjective experience? Surely you see the ridiculousness of that as an indication of gay rights? How about we start a thread about if anyone in the UK has ever had verbal abuse and use that as measure of gay rights in the UK?

    And even if they do, I'm pretty sure 3 people don't count as 'everyone' in Australia.
     
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    Yeah well, outside of Sydney and Melbourne city centres, Australia appears dog-rough for the gays. It's wild fun for sure, but forget about safety. If the locals think you're gay, then you're a target.
     
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    :D Like I said, that's your lens. It doesn't make it true.
     
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    Dannii's refugees in London say otherwise.
     
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    I don't even know what that refers to :D
     
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    Princess of Australia - Dannii the Turd - is exiled to Britain - as her sister's serving wench. She escapes and builds a d-list music career, followed by a judge/pimp gig on X Factor.

    This is the ideal career trajectory for those COMMON Australian gays in London.

    They start to emulate her. It's a recipe for disaster.
     
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    I figured all the Aussie gays just get lost in the London nightclub and drug scene, age 20 years in 4 years and then return home to live in a leafy surburb outside Melbourne and think going to bed at 1am on a Saturday is risque.
     
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    When I'm wearing a face of foundation and bronzer (that hasn't yet dripped off) a flattering waistcoat and nice little scarf, in 30 degrees, I really don't know what I'VE done to attract any kind of homophobic comments :disco:

    Although mine on a previous page was probably a whinge in general after reading the 'comments' section on any news website under gay-marriage articles. In reality I don't believe I've really had any bad experiences. Except when a car of straight guys wolf-whistled me and a mate in a taking-the-piss way, but it wasn't really abusive, just a few 19 year olds being dicks. And given where they were doing laps, the driver probably is closeted anyway :D
     
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    After our last houseparty, a couple of friends ended up SMASHED and got into an argument with some girls at Pie Face ( :D ). Afterwards they got a taxi driver to drive them up and down Oxford Street (the main gay street in Sydney) so they could shout "FAGGOT" at people walking around.

    Maybe verbally abusing your own kind is an Australian thing.
     
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    Oh Pie Face :D

    But yeah, people doing that are obviously just stupid. 'You're gay' as you're walking down Oxford St...well, yeah, I'd bloody hope I was gay if I was on Oxford St, otherwise I'm in for a very enlightening night.
     
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    And from what I heard, I believe that turned out to be true :)
     
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    :D It doesn't count if you have no recollection.

    I just re-read your above story. I think I read it wrong the first time. I need bed.
     
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    That's got to be one of the worst interviews I've EVER HEARD. Oh yeah, we've got a massive scoop by having a really beleaguered Prime Minister on our radio show, let's talk about the REAL ISSUES :eyes:
     
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    She handles it well considering her normally outspoken style.

    What are the current poll ratings like?
     
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    Really bad. Given Labor and the Liberal/National Coalition tied on seats (72 each, and you need 74 for a majority) and votes (50-50) last time and the government's gotten more unpopular since then...the best polls recently for Labour have it 46-54. The worst, 42-58, which would be a landslide. Even worse is that Abbott's got a consistent narrow lead over Gillard on preferred PM.
     
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    Apparently her rating went DOWN after she branded that menu thing "sexist". :manson: AUSTRALIA
     
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    Looking in from the outside Australia tends to seem REALLY BACKWARD when it comes to equality and human rights. I'm sure that's as outrageous as proclaiming that all hairdressers are gay. But the idea of the PRIME MINISTER facing that kind of interrogation which borders on misogynistic and offensive is quite astonishing.
     
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    I love Jark thinking outside the box.
     
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    She should come to the UK after she loses this election - I'd gladly have her instead of Milliband.
     
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    Only if she explains and retracts her bizarre resistance to marriage equality.
     
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    She's leading a country that behaves this way with a woman leader, and doing it with a majority of 0 seats. Under those circumstances, I don't think it's that bizarre that she resists it for political purposes when it would go down really badly in a lot of her core constituencies and not necessarily even command a majority of her own MPs to support it - it would effectively have been throwing this year's election away without even giving anything else a chance, while at the same time having a lengthy battle with her own backbenches which she'd have been likely to lose.

    Under those circumstances (awful though it always feels to talk about bills on freedom in this way) it makes no sense whatever to take up the mantle and try and push it through if it would've risked taking down her government and probably not even succeeded in the bargain.
     
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    She could say that instead of the unfeminist, unsocialist crap that comes out of her mouth about believing marriage is an institution between a man and a woman and all that awful rethoric she uses.
     
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    That despicable oily Aussie right-winger must be loving this. Can't all the Tory loonies stage a proper coup against Cameron instead of all the passive-agressive Sunday Politics snarky remark shit that goes on over here?
     
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    The problem is this whole back and forth is completely playing into that disgusting twat Tony Abbott's hands.
     

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