Discussion in 'Current Affairs & Debate' started by VoR, Jun 24, 2010.
Why would you want that? Cameron seems to me like one of the most progressive Tories in the entire party.
Kevin Rudd 57 votes.
Julia Gillard 45 votes.
She'll now be resigning from politics, assuming she honours the pledge she made when calling this leadership ballot.
I want to see the Tory party fall apart to scare the swing vote away for next election.
I honestly would prefer to be governed by the coalition than the Labour party in its current incarnation.
Still, at least she got three years. Hard to see Rudd lasting long if he wins the election though when he makes Gordon Brown look secure and well-adjusted when it comes to internal party politics. More charismatic than old JOOLS though, so at least Abbott's probably fucked in September.
I didn't see this come - Rudd never gives up does he?
Though I'm sad for Gillard, it's probably for the best for Labor.
Well that was sudden. I'm traumatised. She is literally one of favourite people in the world.
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The whole thing is fucking ridiculous.
A man is now party leader who has absolutely 100% contributed to power going to the opposition. All this internal bickering makes the party look like a joke, and now the opposition are much more powerful. And his reason for competing was apparently, "I simply do not have it in my nature to stand idly by and to allow an Abbott government to come to power in this country by default". More like you want power and you couldn't stand it was taken away from you.
It's a fucking joke.
Rudd now officially PM again.
Thanks for quoting a spelling mistake
It was your fault for making it.
Kevin Rudd has now come out in favour on gay marriage saying that Tony Abbott should allow a conscience vote on the issue. There's no way Tony Abbott would do that before he gets the PM job (which is pretty inevitable), but I think there's a chance he'll allow it during his time as Prime Minister. So maybe it's on the cards in the next few years...
Why is it up to Abbott?
Because Rudd now leads a minority government, it would require Liberal votes to pass.
And why's Abbott as PM inevitable? Labor are chopping within the margin of error with the Liberals on all the post-Rudd polls, which bodes well for a proper contest in September...
Paul Keating should make a comeback.
I'd rather an advisory role for Mark Latham, but given the bad blood between him and Kevin Rudd I think that's unlikely.
Because Rudd has allowed a conscience vote and his government majority (with a coalition) is only 1. So if even 2 people in his party vote no, then it will be rejected as all the opposition HAVE to vote no.
Pfffff. If this turns into a real contest then I will be very VERY glad but I suspect the best we can hope for is that Abbott doesn't win by a landslide. It's a nightmare. I think Abbott will make George Bush look thoughtful and progressive.
Coming off the back of taking the G20 presidency in early September should help make Rudd look very statesmanlike etc., and I can imagine a lot of WorkChoices scaremongering and heavy reminders that actually the economy's QUITE BLOODY GOOD and focusing on Rudd vs Abbott (Rudd wins a preferred PM battle 51-34 with Abbott). I can see a similar sort of result to the last election - nothing in it in the voting totals but Labor just about squeak back in.
Hopefully at that point Abbott gets summarily lynched, the Liberals bring in a SENSIBLE MODERATE and then thrash Labour in 2017, because I daren't realistically consider a fourth Labor victory so if the Liberals are going to thrash us it may as well be with someone who isn't a TOTAL cunt
The Progressive Alliance.
This would be a great outcome but Labour are still 8 points behind according to the Sydney Morning Herald. Admitedly, this is still better than it was before (I think a 15 point difference?) but I'm not sure it will equate to a victory in September.
God, if that MONG gets in I'll be really annoyed.
poor julia, i think i kinda loved her. was vor ever a fan? i remember blaming him in my head when i heard.
I found her quite fascinating but not especially a fan. As discussed her stance on marriage equality put me off. The excuse Penelope gave for her doesn't really hold water with Kevin Rudd coming out in support of it when he's not really in a much stronger position. She was great on feminism and God knows she was treated terribly unfairly, but she lacked the courage of her convictions and I think that's a large part of what did her in in the end.
(Or maybe she genuinely is just really weird and contradictory)
Her comedy accent and fierce losing battle with sexist Australians made her iconic for me. I was able to overlook the lack of the support for gay marriage for personal qualities. The clip of her falling over in India and responding with "It's alright, I'm ok" in that deep bogan accent became a staple in my own life.
Madison can be forgiven for missing this development... I fleetingly heard about it and had a good chuckle but I hadn't quite realised how NEW it is.
Pressure's ratcheting up on Abbott. The party denies it (as you'd expect) but if I were a Liberal MP seeing the poll ratings in a match-up between Rudd and Turnbull (who Abbott best by a single vote in 2009) I'd be pushing for a leadership spill while there was still time.
I'm watching the Australian news right now. Nearly half the programme has been about immigration policy.
I don't know much about Rudd, but this is quite brilliant:
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Too little too late though. I imagine Abbott will easily get in.
I've done my bit. I've added The Economist's endorsement of Rudd to the election's wikipedia page. That doubles the number of Labor endorsements.
The media here is OBSESSED with immigration. They never used to be (well, not to this standard anyway), and it's ridiculous. 'The boats' bring in about 30,000 people a year maximum. When worked out per asylum seeker, the average amount of money spent on the issue is about double the average Australian wage. It's insane. Obviously there are clear health and safety issues and moral obligations with people drowing at sea, but I've never seen so much government money spent on such an insignificant consideration.
How this has become as much a central political policy as, e.g. the economy, is totally beyond me.
The Economist describes it as the coalition's only foreign policy, and it's biggest criticism of Rudd is that Labor have moved so far to the right on the issue.
BYE RUDD. Hi Shorten.
Are the polls even open?
No one likes an obvious prediction.