Leaving Neverland

Discussion in 'Moopy Odeon' started by Sheena, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    114,967
    (Didn't know whether to Odeon this or put it in the pop forum, so please feel free to move if we think otherwise...)

    A four hour seemingly #metoo documentary on Michael Jackson's alleged preference for kiddy noncing is apparently about to come out, based around the stories of two of the kids he was "friendly with".

    https://pitchfork.com/news/new-mich...p4k&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_twitter

    Somebody hold our Ellie back...
     
  2. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    114,967
    To be honest, probably for the best that the kid was not his son...
     
  3. Phoenix

    Phoenix The Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,031




     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2019
  4. SDF

    SDF The Wait is Over

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    8,701
    Martin Bashir AGOG
     
  5. Rita

    Rita User

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2004
    Messages:
    20,156
    I don’t think I could watch. :zombie:
     
  6. octophone

    octophone a wonderful wooden reason

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    34,923
    Location:
    Bar Maldoror
    I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to go and see this.
     
  7. jivafox

    jivafox Stay sexy don’t get murdered

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2007
    Messages:
    13,570
    Location:
    Twin Peaks
    I need a statement from LaToya
     
  8. Commotion

    Commotion User

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2004
    Messages:
    5,674
    Hasn't everyone known that Michael Jackson was a paedophile since 1993?
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2019
  9. Phoenix

    Phoenix The Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,031
    Looking at the comments on the reviews I would say no.
     
  10. Phoenix

    Phoenix The Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,031
    March 3rd and 4th on HBO

     
  11. Phoenix

    Phoenix The Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,031
    Did anyone watch this? His fans are all over twitter attacking anyone who says they believe it. Also Oprah did interviews with the accusers.
     
  12. Commotion

    Commotion User

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2004
    Messages:
    5,674
    The BBC have announced that they will no longer play Jacko's music.

    I have no plan to watch this - I don't need convincing though.
     
  13. SDF

    SDF The Wait is Over

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    8,701
    I think the BBC deciding to do that is a bit premature

    He’s not been convicted of anything and isn’t around to actually defend himself
     
  14. big ron

    big ron User

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    20,268
    This comment didn't get the praise it deserved.
     
    Sheena likes this.
  15. Commotion

    Commotion User

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2004
    Messages:
    5,674
    Neither was Jimmy Savile.

    I think the BBC are erring on the side of caution here - considering how negligent they were in dealing with Savile.
     
  16. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    114,967
    I don’t know how I feel about all of this. It does seem ridiculous that it’s “their word vs his” and suddenly he’s blacklisted but LET’S FACE IT, he probably was a nonce...
     
  17. big ron

    big ron User

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    20,268
    Nailed on nonce.
     
  18. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    137,968
    I heard PYT (apparently JUST HOW HE LIKED THEM) on in store radio only minutes ago.
     
  19. BoysForSeles

    BoysForSeles User

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    5,238
    So generally I was wondering if a musician turns out to be a nonce/cunt/twat etc such as MJ seems to have been and like Morrissey has been over the past few years (not the nonce part as far as I’m aware) does it make their music unlistenable now or are you able to separate enjoying the music from the person?
     
  20. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    114,967
    Ask Gary Glitter...
     
  21. BoysForSeles

    BoysForSeles User

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    5,238
    I meant people here rather than general public. Will people not play MJ songs now because of this association? I assume nobody was playing Gary Glitter anyway. Or at least I hope so.
     
  22. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    137,968
    I think I can separate being a twat from their art. Being a nonce if another thing though. I wonder if that alone would tarnish the music so much that I wouldn't want to listen to it. But then I've never really been tested...

    As far as Jackson is concerned, as much as I love loads of his 70s and 80s stuff, it's a very long time since I've actively sought his music out - it tends to find you.
     
    BoysForSeles likes this.
  23. BoysForSeles

    BoysForSeles User

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    5,238
    ^Yeah, I know what you mean. I’ve never bought a record of his, put a song on a playlist or consciously chose to play one yet know so many almost word for word.
     
  24. SDF

    SDF The Wait is Over

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    8,701
    Hoping for some cheap vinyl deals tbh
     
  25. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    114,967
    I still play "Off the Wall" fairly regularly and, to a lesser extent, "Thriller" and "Dangerous".

    Now, here's the next question- are we still allowed to play The Jackson Five stuff from when he was a kid and therefore obviously NOT a nonce...
     
  26. Phoenix

    Phoenix The Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,031
    For me it’s more with movies, but I still enjoy Roman Polanski movies and I’ll dabble with Woody Alan if the cast is good.
     
    BoysForSeles likes this.
  27. Slave

    Slave User

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    31,668
    I was thinking about this earlier and I think it's going to be REALLY hard for the media or indeed anyone to treat Michael Jackson's music with the same retrospective contempt and censorship as R. Kelly, Gary Glitter, etc.

    His music is SO woven into the fabric of popular culture - as @lolly said, it finds the listener often more times than the listener finds it. Stuff like Thriller still underpins MTV culture much more than anything by R. Kelly. When it comes down to it, pulling things from streaming and other platforms to me feels like acts trying to pretend that it didn't happen. Gaga put out a statement, sure, but other acts just quietly removed things as if they're hoping that eventually people just won't notice that they worked with an artist. But how can you ever pretend that Michael Jackson didn't happen?
     
  28. Ag

    Ag User

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    161,679
    Please, we can't lose any more TOTP.
     
  29. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    137,968
    Oh bollocks, they will, won't they?

    I guess we're past the prime, but even so...
     
  30. Ag

    Ag User

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    161,679
    I've just read the BBC aren't banning his music and it was a false rumour.
     
  31. Ag

    Ag User

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    161,679
    Watching this now. I feel like I want chop my genitals off. What a sick fuck.
     
  32. Ag

    Ag User

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    161,679
    If you ever want to listen to his music after the description of him rimming a 7 year old, then that's on you.
     
  33. Shirley

    Shirley YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2004
    Messages:
    32,171
    Sorry I was watching BBC2 featuring Richard Gere, Sarah Lancashire, cock, and brain surgery
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2019
  34. Mugatu

    Mugatu Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    13,003
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Looking at Twitter, I never realised there are so many people who flat-out don't believe he was a nonce, it's bizarre. I just assumed it was common knowledge.

    (I'm watching on +1 because of "the football")
     
  35. Phoenix

    Phoenix The Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,031
    Well those were four hours of horror, the descriptions of what he did to them....having watched Abducted in Plain Sight recently, it feels all too familiar. The way he groomed them and the parents.
     
  36. Ag

    Ag User

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    161,679
    I always kinda believed it, but wasn't quite sure. After being exposed to such testimony I have no doubt. It's easy to say they're doing it for the $$$, but there's easier ways to make money than going on TV and revealing that sick horror story. We had to pause it a couple of times to take a break.
     
    Mugatu likes this.
  37. Ag

    Ag User

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    161,679
    His obsessive fans are fucking muppets propping up a paedo's estate.
     
  38. Kalabaliken

    Kalabaliken Judging you in Google Translate

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2012
    Messages:
    20,346
    Location:
    Glasgow
    I watched the first half of this last night and I could not get to sleep and was awake until 4am with a sick feeling in my stomach. I have absolutely no doubt that these allegations are true. He was just SO brazen about the whole thing. And when you think about some of the songs he wrote - In The Closet is one that stands out:

    Just promise me, whatever we say
    Whatever we do to each other
    For now we take a vow to just
    Keep it in the closet

    He carried out some of the abuse IN HIS FUCKING CLOSET. What a SICK FUCK.

    His rabid fans are just delusional.
     
    Kate, Suomi and Ag like this.
  39. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    114,967
    I’m sorry but :D
     
    lolly, Pipo, monsta and 1 other person like this.
  40. Commotion

    Commotion User

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2004
    Messages:
    5,674
    The Jacko fans defence seems to be that he was a Neneh Cherry loving man-child, reliving the childhood he never had, who because he was rich and famous was being extorted by devious children.

    Conveniently ignoring that this man who supposedly loved all children, had intense friendships with ONLY boys that ended soon after the boys reached puberty when they were replaced. Whose home was designed to be appealing to children.Who slept in beds alone with these boys. Who was inappropriately tactile with them, as many photos show. Who lavished them and their families with money and gifts. Who had porn and alcohol openly lying around in areas frequented by children. Who has been accused by several boys of abuse and paid them off.

    I wonder.
     
    nerys likes this.

Share This Page