Let's all laugh at PROFOUND DICKHEAD David Cameron

I'm not anti gay marriage at all but I'm not majorly fussed really. If that's what people want fine.
I have to put up with this from the rubbish gay at work whose whole life is defined by the fact he is gay. I guess to me it's just one part of my life and excuse the pun I don't feel the need to ram it down someone's throat 24/7.
I guess maybe I just see marriage as a holy union kinda god thing and that's not something I believe in at all.

 

VOR you're getting a bit PREACHY

I don't think you should be telling Donna how he's confusing his feelings

 

I don't believe in gay marriage, I refer the honourable member to the post I made some time ago.

I'm just trying to understand why people are getting so EXERTED over something that doesn't really seem to have any PRACTICAL benefit over the present situation APART from 'equality'.

I can see why you'd care if you were of a religious persuasion and wanted to be MARRIED in the PRESENCE OF YOUR GOD, but that's a WHOLE OTHER KETTLE OF FISH

 

I dare you to go up to my mother and say that

 

I didn't say anything about whether it makes any difference to ME when I started this

I just said that I don't think that people consider what marriage really IS when thinking about this (and I know I'm arguing on the side of all kinds of RELIGIOUS LOONS here)

THEY'VE GOT THAT AND WE WANT IT TOO IN THE NAME OF EQUALITY

 

As a British citizen I find it intolerable that, in black and white, clearly set out in the legislation, parliament/the law/the Government/my country has denied me a right solely due to my sexuality. I don't know what a civil partnership is - it won't placate me.

I'm ashamed of the law the way it is, and I find it quite difficult to understand why anyone would believes in equality would be against amending the law.

It would be such a simple change too.

 

Exactly. I view it in a similar way as I do to the abortion issue. If I were a woman I don't think I'd ever get an abortion personally (medical reasons aside) but I would definitely want other women to have the option to go through with it if they believed it was the optimal thing to do in their situation.

And ultimately the gay marriage isn't about marriage but about fundamental equal rights. Even if marriage isn't for you, we shouldn't have to pick and choose what rights we have.

 

11 VoR

 

I knew this would be CONTROVERSIAL

FORTUNATELY every one else KNOWS BEST as USUAL and can PUT ME RIGHT

Funny how OFTEN that happens

 

I side with VoR and Madison on this. It's about equality for me. Nothing more or less.

 

A friend of a friend is anti it (and was anti civil partnership as well) purely on the grounds that he didn't want to be the same as 'the straights'. I think he thinks it takes the FUN out of being SEXUALLY DEVIANT.

Well, he protests our entitlement to have sex in public toilets in full view of anyone as a cultural homo right, in any case.

 

I MUST concur.

 

Even the STRAIGHTS have DOGGING these days.

 

I'd just quite like to be able to get married should i want to really. And not 'civil partnered', because that's not actually a thing, is it. It's some shmolex type knock off that sets us out as a whole different group of people who need their own SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT, purely because we fancy our own gender.

That's not the right message to send out. What a load of backwards shit. If it has the same rights as a marriage then just call it that and stop segregating innit.

 

I think civil partnership is fair enough. It just should be opened up to heterosexual couples. And marriage opened up to homosexual ones.

 

What came first, legal marriage or religious marriage? I actually have NO IDEA. I always saw marriage as a RELIGIOUS thing, but I guess that's what Catholicism does to you :| Maybe that's why it feels moot to me. I don't understand the FUSS, other than fighting the rhetoric of the hard right.

 

Well, it's not a different kettle of fish at all, it's one of the exact reasons why marriage equality is so important. Why the hell shouldn't religious gays be able to get married? As has been said, it's about having the option.

I don't think the current situation is as awful as black segregation, for instance, but it's the same basic principle.

 

Agreed.

 

That's fine by me, but i'm sure it'd just be the contrary straight couples going for it. "Oh it's not a marriage, it's a civil partnership."

 

I don't think that matters, if it was true. It's just giving them the choice that homosexual couples should also have.

 

APPARENTLY the main difference between a civil wedding and a civil partnership is that you don't get a courtesy title with the latter if your new spouse is a peer or a knight. So it'd be good for heterosexual anti-establishment types who've fallen in love with someone from the posher side of the tracks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/17/gay-marriage-civil-partnerships

 

Oh Civil partnerships(PACS) are really popular in France, 95% are straight couples (THANKS WIKIPEDIA)
I can't see why it would be any different over here? Most people who doi registry office weddings would probably switch?

SHould this thread be split do we think?

 

I can't see this particular Government letting straight couples enter into CPs - they would view it as discouraging marriage.

I can't understand CCHQ not pushing full ahead with gay marriage. It would surely do the Tories image much more good in the long run and I don't believe any of the influential Tory bigwigs are homophobes. Kratz - do you know what they're playing at?

 

According to Lynne Featherstone

 

Even Gideon Osbourne was saying gay marriage would still happen on the Andrew Marr show yesterday - also stressing the point that it's not 'save the economy' or 'gay marriage' as sole objectives. I think the media are as much to blame as anyone here.

 

I don't know who Lynn Featherstone is but I like her

In the meantime I see Cameron is doing the rounds trying to push the HUMILIATING local elections defeat back onto Labour by bringing up the economy again. NICE TRY DICKHEAD

 

"Iz it tru u hacked milly dowlers fone? LOL dave x x x"

 

There's also some issue with pension entitlements I think - a surviving husband or wife is allowed to avail of their dead partner's pension benefits, whereas as surviving civil partner isn't.

 

Presumably the heir to the throne can enter into a civil partnership with a papist and still be in the line of succession.

 

what a DICKHEAD

 

i love how the red tops are all "loads of brits admit to leaving their kids in the pub" kind of thing.

AS IF.

if it had been someone like JORDAN she'd have been HUNG from the rafters.