London Skyline 2012 (and beyond)

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  1. Diddy

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    it used to be, didnt it? Like hundreds of years ago probably ..

    I mean there's nothing to stop it being their capital, and the administrative centre still being DC, like South Africa (i think).

    Mind you, what other function does a capital have if the Government buildings are elsewhre?
     
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    But you can't just EXPAND London at the sides anymore and build on the parks or homes... And to survive we need growth, therefore the ONLY WAY is UP... Plus these buildings will naturally attract investment...
     
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    i agree there .. i dont like the one closest to the camera though. It's like it's been made of BRIE or something and just sagged after it sat there for a while
     
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    That's not how they built in the past, so do we stop moving on NOW, just so they all look like classical architecture? As you well know London has space for these things as QUITE A LOT OF IT was wiped out 60 years ago...
     
  5. Madison

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    Crude economic concerns is London's heritage. It shaped the world more than Shakespeare ever did.
     
  6. octophone

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    London has no real relationship with the rest of the UK anyway so they may as well go spaceage. Something for Scots and Northerners to come and gawp at.
     
  7. Ellie

    Ellie Super talented triple threat

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    Seb can just go back to watching Mary Poppins for his desired skyline.
     
  8. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    I'm not the only person thinking that then.

    Do we actually NEED all these extra buildings? I mean isn't only 40% of Canary Wharf actually occupied anyway?
     
  9. Sebastian Flyte

    Sebastian Flyte Ho hum

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    I'm not interested in the politics of unrestrained economic growth anyway however with architecture it should certainly not be the main concern. Putting modern skyscrapers in the midst of London's great historical buildings changes the character of the city. Not as bad as when the Russians destroyed a large part of medieval Moscow in the 1960s to build the ugliest hotel in the world but getting there.....
     
  10. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Well thank god politicians and decision makers are.
     
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    What a LOAD of BOLLOCKS. London has always developed and changed and moved on. I mean the last 100/200/500/1,000 years were no different, so WHY stop now? It's not like we're demolishing the Tower of London for a skyscraper...

    NO.
     
  12. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    I've stayed in that. Got lost in it too.
     
  13. Sebastian Flyte

    Sebastian Flyte Ho hum

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    Same here, went on a university trip years ago. Ghastly hotel.:zombie:
     
  14. Eileen

    Eileen All the better to see you with, my dear.

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    Tell me about it. Come to anywhere in south east London and it's a NIGHTMARE trying to get around. I was talking to someone when I first started uni in 1998 and she was from Wimbledon and was totally unable to understand the concept of me living in London but there not being a "nearest tube station".
     
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    It's just the London transport system we need to sort out, it's the countries motorways. We need to DEAL WITH the FACT we need BIGGER and MORE.
     
  16. Sebastian Flyte

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    The point about modern commercial architecture is that however imaginitive it is, it is still primarily functional. The Gherkin looks impressive in its way but I'd defy anyone to find Canary Wharf as beautiful, aesthetically pleasing etc.
    London is not Chicago or New York, it is a city with a long architectual history with buildings that are part of a rich cultural heritage. Its one of the issues where the Prince of Wales is spot on.
     
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    I disagree. The London transport system is far better than the transport in the home counties. They want people not to use public transport, but our bus to college (7 years ago) was £3 one way, for a 4 mile journey. That will have gone up now, no doubt. Plus there were only two places in my hometown that bus stopped, so you had to walk about a mile to the bus stop in the first place. How regular was that service? ONCE AN HOUR. So we could either get a bus that got us to college 50 minutes early - or 10 minutes late. :|
     
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    I quite obviously meant it's NOT JUST LT that needs to be sorted. I'm fully aware of crappy local transport. My buses are as SHIT as THAT and East Anglia is not served by ANY motorways...
     
  19. Sebastian Flyte

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    And we do not need any more motorways. We need investment in public transport to make it a viable alternative to increased car use. And we need to encourage local consumption for environmental reasons, instead of two-thirds of the produce in Tescos coming from the other side of the world so that they can pay someone £5 a year to grow what can be grown in the UK.
     
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    That's not how I read your post at all.

    I think London's transport system is actually fucking spot on personally. It's only the price that's a downside.
     
  21. Madison

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    IT WOULD COST MORE
     
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    Sorry but public transport quite simply CAN'T be encouraged, whatever you do. Even at it's best it's fairly inconvienient and no match for the personal comfort and space of a private car. You can make buses free and every 10 minutes, and people will still use cars, for the reasons stated. Sadly I think THAT particular argument will NEVER be won...
     
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    It's not BAD, but having been to other European cities, there's still room for improvement. Trains that stop at midnight in one of the worlds most cosmopolitan cities? MADNESS. But what I originally meant was that the UK's motorways are terribly backward and need rapid advancement...
     
  24. Sebastian Flyte

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    Maybe. However the consumer may then value it more. I read that about 1/3 of fresh produce is just thrown away which seems a bit high but still....
     
  25. cwej

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    That's the only thing actually - the midnight stop of trains. I find it utterly RIDICULOUS. Even in other cities too - Brighton... If I| got the train back from there I'd have to leave at 11.30pm... before the clubs have even started taking peopel in really!
     
  26. Jack

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    I love that London Bridge tower! :o


    Manchester has only one skyscraper and it looks a tad DAFT on its own. 170m I THINK

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  27. Sebastian Flyte

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    The car may always be preferable to the bus or train in the comfort/own space sense which is why we should look at making greater use of the taxation system to change behaviour. I don't want the fabric of the UK to be concreted over with motorways just to pander to lowest common denomenator concerns.
     
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    The tubes are so bad I don't know how we'll cope in 2012. Like Agnetha said, stopping at midnight is ridiculous, and EVERY weekend there's at least one line completely shut-down. Plus, when the hell are pre-pay Oyster cards going to be accepted on overground trains? Tourists are being royally ripped off with that.

    I'd personally like buses to just come when they say. What's the point in saying they come every 8-10 minutes when they sometimes take over half an hour? And that's at the beginning of a route straight from the garage so no excuses for unexpected traffic.
     
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    You really are rather stuck in another socialist decade aren't you?
     
  30. Sebastian Flyte

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    I think you'll find that socialists are often of the opinion that we should concrete over everything with roads & council houses.
     
  31. Madison

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    What are you then, an anarchist?
     
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    i just find your views a bit simplistic Seb. They all sound lovely and everything but aren't really that practical in all reality.
     
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    As I said... ANOTHER DECADE.
     
  34. Sebastian Flyte

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    I don't like such labels however that one I could live with:D
     
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    Oh the ANARCHY!

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    :o

    Hang on a MOMENT... you teach from WIKIPEDIA?
     
  37. Madison

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    Then stop suggesting that people's opinions on which buildings look nice should have any effect on whether the Government let them build them or not. It's entirely up to the developers.
     
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  38. Ellie

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    Maybe someone can do an Eric West presentation in Music/Drama class in the future.
     
  39. Sebastian Flyte

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    It should not be 'up to the developers' . Large development corporations should not dictate to the rest of us what and where anything is built.
    My point about the socialist jibe is that suggesting that wishing to strengthen the planning laws or use the taxation system for environmental or cultural reasons is 'socialist' is a crude simplification. The socialist left has usually been about economic growth above all as much as capitalism , just via a different route - the fact that they were slower is the main contradiction which caused the collapse of the East. Stalin would have London covered in massive office blocks quicker than anything were he around and in charge here.....
     
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    i'll second THAT
     

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