Obama vs McCain - the 2008 US presidential election campaign

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Who do you WANT to be the next US president

Poll closed Nov 3, 2008.
  1. John McCain (Republican, Arizona)

    15.3%
  2. Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois)

    75.0%
  3. Third-party candidate

    1.4%
  4. I don't really care

    8.3%
  1. Man in a Hamster Wheel

    Man in a Hamster Wheel Mr Blue

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    I thought as much. Never would have had Loomer down as Moopy's resident 'family values'-defending right-winger!
     
  2. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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  3. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    I'm glad she's not going to be president - the least I demand of candidates is punctuality. Get a move on Hills.
     
  4. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Innit Maddy.

    Bloody hurry up I need to nip to Sainsburys.
     
  5. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    :moira: Her motorcade has arrived.
     
  6. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Bloody brilliant speech so far...
     
  7. Ag

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    It sounds like a VICTORY SPEECH

    Good on HER
     
  8. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    "It's got about 18 million cracks in it..." :disco: LOOKING GOOD Hills.
     
  9. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Her speech has won pretty much UNIVERSAL praise. Loads of people have said "Speech of the Season". For me it probably WAS, closely followed by John Edwards' endorsement speech and Obama's victory speech. I'm sure her victory speech wouldn't have been much different you know, actually there were lines in it in which were probably plucked straight out of a speech prepared for such an occasion.

    The part about the old lady in the hospice and her cowboy husband was very effective. She also used an Obama trick too when she said: "18 million of you from all walks of life. Women and men. Young and old. Latino and Asian. African American and Caucasian. Rich, poor and middle class. Gay and straight. You have stood with me". A HUGE creschendo of applause. Wonderful.
     
  10. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    :moira: Update:

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    McCain 194
    Obama 344
    (no ties)
     
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  11. Indie

    Indie Great Tits IN THE SNOW

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    having McCain as red and Obama as blue is confusing my little British political head
     
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  12. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    We should count our blessings that our parties have been consistent:

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  13. Toyah

    Toyah LOON PANTS

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    WHERE'S NADER? :Oi:
     
  14. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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  15. funky

    funky OH SHE’LL HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK

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    I'm starting to come round to Obama

    the more the right try and nail him with the terrorist slurs, the more I'm desperate to see a lefty Government get in and do some damage (ie change)
     
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  16. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    I'm ever so slightly starting to believe that hype that he'll be the nearest thing to a Kennedy of our generation.

    It'll also make any scandal even more dramatic once it comes out.
     
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  17. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    I think the Kennedy parrallels are totally fair and pretty accurate. Wasn't Kennedy in the Senate for a shorter period of time than Obama? - EDIT, oh no he wasn't don't know where I got that from.

    The polls seem to be edging away from McCain bit by bit over the past week. It really is Obama's to loose.
     
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  18. funky

    funky OH SHE’LL HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK

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    Don't count the right out yet. If something major happens in Iraq or if there is another terrorist alert, the Right will eat it up.

    I fully believe they have a cynical strategy set up and ready to go...
     
  19. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Well it's being discussed at the moment that adverts may be commissioned on the lines of race - though people are not fully sure who exactly is behind that. A lot of right-wingers have been touting the "is Barack Obama going to rename the White House when he becomes the first black president etc" card... :daf:
     
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  20. lolly

    lolly Rowena? From Kuwait?

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    Are there any figures on how many Clinton supporters who said they wouldn't back Obama are now changing their minds?
     
  21. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    :rusty2:
     
  22. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    I'm fascinated by the vice presidential choices. It's amazing how important the choice is, for a relatively unimportant position.
     
  23. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Hmm, I'd disagree and say the position has become more important in the past few years. The Senate has been near enough a 50/50 split in recent times, which means that the likelihood of a deadlock has increased with the President of the Senate (i.e. the Vice-President) having the casting vote - therefore the VP still has the ability to evoke a higher legislative authority, say in contrast to if the individual (Clinton for instance) remained a Senator or something.

    Also in terms of policy there is no doubt that the VP is the most influential person after the president, Dick Cheney has had a HUGE role in the policies of the Bush administration, and that has been the case historically, they certainly not sidelined - I think there may be a bit of a comparison to the deputy PM or something that doesn't wash over here but in the US it is a BIG DEAL.

    For this election the Democrats are seeing the VP choice as an even bigger deal. It will be a HUGE position because ultimately in the eyes of Democrats the eventual running mate will be the person trying to help Obama get that historic win. They therefore will BOTH go down in history. Sen. Joe Biden has said something to this effect.
     
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    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Oh and not to forget that the VP, following historical trends, will most likely end up the Democratic nominee for President after Obama's tenure ends.
     
  25. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    I'd disagree here. There's no doubt that this particular VP has been been the most influential, but this is an historical aberation. Gore was sidelined with niche areas, Quayle was a joke, and George HW Bush knew his place that he didn't even allow himself to become acting president after Reagan had been shot. In fact, no one comes to my mind at all as being anywhere close to being co-president in the last 100 years. The deputy PM comparison seems quite apt. That is ignoring that the VP is next in the line of sucession, and can usually win the next nomination with ease.
     
  26. funky

    funky OH SHE’LL HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK

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    I think in regards to the VP issue - it just depends on who is in office and who is VP at the time. It's not set in stone what their role is, is it?

    If Hilary became VP for instance, I would imagine she'd have a massive international role. Which would be amazing. It would almost be like having two Presidents - one for domestic and one for international.

    It's just a shame that their opponents would use that concept against them, and so they couldn't push it that way, they'd have to cloak it under some guise that Hilary wasn't nearly as influential as she is :|
     
  27. jonhawk

    jonhawk Bluffin' with my muffin

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    Oh yes I was going a bit OTT, but the office of VP has definitely become more important over time, through the 60s and 70s till today. Of course the President can choose what role he gives the VP, and with Bush he's made sure he's had an extremely close relationship with Cheney.

    Then again Bush has very much re-aligned the role of his executive around the War on Terror. It would be interesting to see Obama's appointments to Secretary of State for example, that would set a lot of the tone regarding foreign affairs.

    I think John Edwards would have had a very good shot over Hillary for VP due to his anti-poverty credentials but he doesn't want the job.
     
  28. funky

    funky OH SHE’LL HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK

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    LOL!

     
  29. Madison

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    :moira: Update:

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    McCain 194
    Obama 317
    Ties 27
     
  30. Madison

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    Well it's all looking pretty good... I know it's months away, but I'd say President Obama has it IN THE BAG
     
  32. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Sadly not, here's the 2004 graph for comparison

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    Although Kerry was useless.
     
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  33. Indie

    Indie Great Tits IN THE SNOW

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    The lack of g in the thread title is annoying me a little. is it intentional?
     
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    Still Obama is a lot more appealing to voters than Kerry surely. Kerry's problem was Kerry himself. Obama has himself has a sheer advantage.
     
  35. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    Nope, I think I started the thread at 3 am and was to tired to spell.

    If only I were a mod - I could change it.
     
  36. Indie

    Indie Great Tits IN THE SNOW

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    I am a mod and i have changed it
     
  37. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Haysbert: '24' president helped Obama

    Dennis Haysbert has claimed that his role as a black US president in 24 may have benefited Barack Obama.

    He said: "If anything, my portrayal of David Palmer, I think, may have helped open the eyes of the American people.

    "And I mean the American people from across the board - from the poorest to the richest, every color and creed, every religious base - to prove the possibility there could be an African-American president, a female president, any type of president that puts the people first."

    Speaking at the Associated Press, Haysbert recalled how he dined in a "very wealthy, very white and very Republican" California town and was mistaken for his Democratic TV president.

    "I go into this little restaurant with that demographic and a lady comes up to me and says, 'You know, I want to vote for you,'" he said. "I don't know if it is a joke or that people just like to say those things. But to me, for them to say it out loud means they are thinking about it."
     
  38. VoR

    VoR #Justice4JLo

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    Poor Hillary. With only Geena Davis as a televisual equivalent she was doomed from the start.
     
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  39. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    I'd vote for her - I loved Commander In Chief

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    Ooooh - donald sutherland doesn't look happy
     
  40. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    I can't believe they cancelled 'Commander In Chief', President Mackenzie Allen was MY ROLE MODEL. :Oi:
     

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