I wouldn't want to get married in a church if I had to have a religious ceremony, which I'm guessing is sort of compulsory
Tis unfortunately. But there are some lovely places, as Emma said. I've seen tons cus I look at them for other events (work). In fact, some hotels have tiny 'proper' chapels on site, from back when they were old monastery's and things and so they're just like the real thing
Ach. Usually i'd express more of an opinion here but I'm just so BORED of religion. I'm BORED of yet another Channel 4 documentary on Muslim extremism. I'm BORED of feeling threatened by irrationality. I'm BORED of the 'respect' we afford this nonsense. I'm an atheist, by the way.
Sit down Stand up Kneel down Say a ridiculous prayer Stand up Sing a hymn about killing slaves Sit down Listen to how you're going to hell Say a prayer about how if you don't believe in God you'll burn for eternity Kneel down Walk out in a daze
i did SAY they aren't perfect, but picketing outside a funeral isnt QUITE THE SAME as blowing up a car outside a school of children in Iraq is it?
Oh yeah and why does EVERY WEDDING I EVER GO TO have All Things Fucking Bright And Cunting Beautiful as one of the hymns Every FUNERAL as well ugh
Well, quite. But on the other hand, George Bush did lead us to Iraq and was voted in, for a large part, because of his VERY conversative Christian religious beliefs. It's not the same but it's also not very different.
Not getting at you here, but this is what i completely fail to grasp about religious types. There is a MASSIVE difference between genuine BELIEF and cultural affinity. If people want to 'follow' a religion as a lifestyle philosophy then fine, but at least admit that is all it is. A suit that fits. For me, BELIEF is all about fundamental truths about the Universe. 'I quite like the sound of this or that' never even comes into it.
oh my god. I AM NOT DEFENDING CHRISTIANITY. I AM AN ATHEIST. I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY CUNTING GOD AT ALL. ALL I SAID WAS IF I HAD TO PICK ONE RELIGION TO BAN, IT WOULD BE ISLAM.
I quite like the sound of Steps. I'm going to worship them until I know that in the year 3757, people will be going to church and doing the Tragedy dance and singing One for Sorrow in the choir.
you do realise that by 3757, history will have been so warped that H will be missing completely from the holy text, and the lyrics to One for Sorrow will imply the supreme divinity of Lisa Scott Lee.
I'd really like someonbe who holds a belief they have NOT inherited by sole (however inadvertent) virtue of their parentage, culture or geography to explain to me why they believe in a particular God(s). Genuinely interested to know. Very RARE to find such people....
As much as I like you Gavin, its also pretty tiresome to have you rage on about the same arguments against religion over and over again. I think the majority got the jist that you are vehemently against religion and thats not something that I have a problem with, but (my belief and my choice to believe in something) is also not something that I should almost feel compelled to justify to you - which is the way I often do feel around you, considering I respect you quite a lot. And yes, Islam is pretty shitty at the moment and thats because nobody is embracing change or promoting modernisation or interpretation. But the majority of the Major Religions are also the same - I know of Fundamentalist Hindu activity in India, the whole Israel/Palestine thing is just an update of the crusades imho, the history of Christianity speaks for itself. Islam may be the poster-religion at the moment, but I don't believe any of them are worthy of being banned.
But what is WRONG with THAT per se? I find people who find religion in other ways probably a bit MORE wrong than those who find it in the way the majority do...
Bev, man. I can quite honestly say i don't 'rage' about religion. Heck, i'm not even 'vehemently against' it - you'd probably be shocked by how tolerant i am of people's right to religious freedom in the 'real world'. It IS a subject which frustrates me - cos i do fail to understand the basis for many people's faith beyond wishy-washy delusions. But i am far from militant about my atheism. Believe me!
Hey DJ on the request line Got this tune thats blowin' my mind Could you play it coz its cool If you do it for me I'll do it for you
Because it is therefore cultural indoctrination, whether passive or purposeful. That strikes me only as 'belief' of the most disingenuous manner....
I can completely accept that it is a subject that frustrates you, I have had many a friend who has tried to make me 'accept' that there is no such thing is God and I've just listened to what they had to say patiently. And I'm glad to hear that you are tolerant of religion, its the least that believers deserve - I think we do get a rough ride, what with less and less people actually believing in something concrete. (Although unsurprisingly, the percentage of 'believers' in asian communities is MUCH higher than in the rest of Europe) But I digress. I just gave you my impression of your posts on this kind of stuff, and the fact that I do sometimes feel like I need to justify something that I really shouldn't have to. Each to their own blah blah etc etc.
