Scottish Independence Debate

Discussion in 'Current Affairs & Debate' started by SDF, Feb 23, 2013.

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Independence?

Poll closed Sep 18, 2014.
  1. I am Scottish - YES

    4.3%
  2. I am Scottish - NO

    12.9%
  3. I am Scottish - DON'T KNOW

    1.4%
  4. I am British (not Scottish) - YES

    7.1%
  5. I am British (not Scottish) - NO

    44.3%
  6. I am British (not Scottish) - DON'T KNOW

    8.6%
  7. I am not British - YES

    2.9%
  8. I am not British - NO

    5.7%
  9. I am not British - DON'T KNOW

    12.9%
  1. Ag

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    Wales? I don't know her.
     
  2. Penelope

    Penelope SMIRKING LESBIAN MOON

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    If Donald Dewar were still around the vote probably wouldn't even be happening now!
     
  3. Tetris-Rock

    Tetris-Rock one of those "they/thems"

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    How so?
     
  4. Penelope

    Penelope SMIRKING LESBIAN MOON

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    I think Labour would've stayed popular for longer had Donald lived to run again in 2003 and McConnell taken over later, meaning the SNP wouldn't have been the biggest party by a seat in 2007. If they hadn't been in charge in 2007 I don't think they'd have gotten a majority in 2011, hence no referendum.
     
  5. Tetris-Rock

    Tetris-Rock one of those "they/thems"

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    At the very least, do you admit that the party in Scotland needs a serious kick up the arse?
     
  6. Penelope

    Penelope SMIRKING LESBIAN MOON

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    The Blesséd Johann will lead us to a majority of 20 and a glorious new era of social democracy :disco:


    (of course it does, that much has been obvious for years :D)
     
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  7. Tetris-Rock

    Tetris-Rock one of those "they/thems"

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    I'm worried you actually believe that, loves. :D
     
  8. Penelope

    Penelope SMIRKING LESBIAN MOON

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    I cannot believe he troubled to type everyones name, but I love the idea of grindr politics
     
  10. Robbie

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    It's decision day for the Scots.

    Personally, I hope they vote to stay in the UK, and I think that's how the vote will go. However, if they don't... goodbye UK. The end of a union that has lasted three centuries.

    VOTE NO!
     
  11. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    Andy Murray declares for Yes
     

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  12. Penelope

    Penelope SMIRKING LESBIAN MOON

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    Well at least he'll still be British if he loses.
     
  13. Diddy

    Diddy Rice Queen

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    :D isn't this the opposite of that website? If he wins, he's Scottish, but if he loses he's British?
     
  14. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    The best thing to happen to Scottish Labour would be independence.

    The likes of Murphy, and potentially even Gordon Brown, could return and truly challenge Salmond.

    That said, I do think there are some talented folk in Scottish Labour who have been thoroughly shunted in the last few weeks in favour of the establishment likes of John Reid.
     
  15. Penelope

    Penelope SMIRKING LESBIAN MOON

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    It would be fabulous for Scottish Labour as they'd be able to craft their own identity totally exclusive of national Labour, which would be helpful given the momentum of Scottish politics is to the left.

    It wouldn't be fabulous for rUK Labour at all in the short term or the medium term - the Conservatives would overnight be guaranteed to be the biggest party next year on seats (or even a majority). They'd get a gerrymandered boundary review through pretty sharpish without the Lib Dems to obstruct it, which would make it even harder for Labour to win. The only long-term solution would be for Labour to become eternally Blairite (or discover a left-wing politics instinctively popular across the whole of England, and frankly good luck with that), so it always amuses me when English lefties who harp on about how evil Blair was support independence without thinking what the natural consequence of Labour being forty seats down plus a Tory-skewed boundary review would have to be.
     
  16. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Anyway, best of luck to Scotland today. Hope you don't make a terrible mistake. Xox
     
  17. Ag

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    I'm pretty sure the loud mouths of the YES will be sorely disappointed when the silent majority get a bigger than expected win. Good luck Scotland, vote with your brain.
     
  18. Madison

    Madison Everything goes up by six

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    May the power of Gordon be with you.
     
  19. Indie

    Indie Great Tits IN THE SNOW

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    This comment is bizarre. You are clearly measuring it on a per capita basis, and suggesting that's automatically the way it is measured. That is not true. Even the name should give you a clue. Overall GDP is extremely important because it gives an indication of how much international influence a country has - and do not underestimate how important this is. GDP per capita in china is small but nobody would argue that it anything other than an economic powerhouse.
     
  20. dUb

    dUb WENT TO WAR FOR U

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    This person asked loads of guys on Grindr. Posted here http://machotrouts.tumblr.com/post/97748597900/morihaventgotshitonme

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    STATISTICS:
    The number of people I’ve questioned who are still present in my Grindr message history – that is, excluding the many people who blocked me – appears to add up to 655. I’ve divided their reactions into…

    NO: 114
    YES: 101
    Undecided: 24
    Other opinion: 20
    Indifference: 15
    Evasion: 38
    Bemusement: 13
    Amusement: 2
    Too horny to answer: 6
    General rejection: 4
    Did not respond: 318

    So there you have it. When only decisive opinions are taken into account, Grindr votes NO to independence, with a 54-46% split. If this is reflected in the results of tomorrow’s referendum, we can assume the headless torsos have taken over Scotland and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
     
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  21. COB

    COB jumped up little prick

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    Already posted by Mystic Pen but it really is brilliant :D
     
  22. dUb

    dUb WENT TO WAR FOR U

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    Oh yes. Well I've given it more of a SHOWCASE. The same guy asked various Big Brother housemates too but this format is gold.
     
  23. Diddy

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    Gordon's alive??!
     
  24. COB

    COB jumped up little prick

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    The dUb touch :disco:
     
  25. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Can we have a Moopy exit poll for our Scottish queens?
     
  26. PercyPig

    PercyPig The Last of Us

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    Current social media outrage:

    It's a pencil in the voting booth! It can be rubbed out! Take your own penzzz!
     
  27. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    "Wish you had been killed at Dunblane" writes one angry unionist. That's our great family of nations there!
     
  28. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Ag?
     
  29. win_the_game

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    Get some perspective love. I'm pretty sure those on the Yes side are just as bad, if not worse.
     
  30. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Some YES queens will look for anything negative they can find!

    I personally have enjoyed the conversations we've had with the YES queens of Moopy, even if none of them has been able to put together an argument that makes me think their choice is anything other than an emotional one. But we are all different.
     
  31. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    That is the perspective, love. All we have had in the media and from journalists is that the silent majority are scared to speak out for No. We know that there are plenty of sports men and women who have been told to shut up about it because they are scared what it will do to their support/funding in the event of a No vote.
     
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  32. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Can't believe queens would vote for a party that is aligned with the man who backed Section 28. At least Cameron loves us, if only for economic reasons :disco:

    GET MONEY BITCH!
     
  33. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    It is completely misrepresentative of the figures. Scotland does t get the benefit of that. In fact Scotland generates more per more than the rest of the UK. Now Scotland does receive more back but it's still less than what Scotland pays in to the pot.
     
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  34. SDF

    SDF We're all Angles in Chainz

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    The SNP are the most progressive LGBT government. One of their donors happens to be a man who isn't supportive of LGBT rights. It hasn't impacted their policy decisions.

    Besides Cameron has Theresa May actually in his government, she voted against the repeal of Section 28 and against gay rights for adoption. She was the minister for Equality! :D
     
  35. Indie

    Indie Great Tits IN THE SNOW

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    That is true, but misses the point. GDP as a whole allows collective trade negotiations. It allows a greater pool or resources to cope with national resources such as health, pensions and welfare for when things aren't going so well. It reduces the burden of fixed costs - Economies of scale are a real thing, y'know. It lowers the cost of international borrowing for building infrastructure - it's already been essentially confirmed that Scotland would have a lower credit rating than the UK.

    My house has a higher GDP per capita than Scotland. Doesn't mean I could do well as an independent country.
     
  36. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    Hun, haven't we agreed to partition England into the Intergalactic LGBT Superstate of London, the Republic of Yorkshire and THE REST anyway?
     
  37. Ag

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    I'm far too busy these days for such venom!
     
  38. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    It felt... reductive
     
  39. Dinlo

    Dinlo Gypsy Princess

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  40. Loufoque

    Loufoque BATTLE FOR YOUR LIFE

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    I may go to Hadrian's Wall to perform my own independence ceremony

    SALMOND, roll UP the PARTITION please
    We don't need to see Scotland ON ITS KNEES
    300 years to get ALL dressed UP
    Now you ain't even gonna make it TO THE CLUB (the EU)
    :disco:
     

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