Scottish politics thread (including 2021 Holyrood elections)

Penny casually reminding me that his politics chat back in the day used to DO MY TITS IN like nothing else.

Ever the disconnected Labour-supporting Southerner

(05 - Penelope Stagnant)

 

Ta'Lisa Shardone Quahvique AGOG

 

Like I said, I was saying it as a reason to Ag NOT THE Scots

 

independence from Penny pls

 

She's an absolute rocket. If Sturgeon warned the public not to drink straight out of the Clyde, Cherry would be demanding pints of unfiltered Clyde water were being served in the pubs by the end of the day.

 

The article in the Scotsman today from Joanna Cherry saying that Scotland doesn’t have to have a referendum to become independent and could follow the Irish route is so fucking dangerous

as someone who is pro independence I absolutely would contest this, and find her absolutely detestable

 

Maybe I’m becoming more of a unionist than I thought I eyerolled throughout though and just find her quite a scary politician

 

PAUL SWEENEY FOR PRESIDENT

 

Could we have someone with a Lancashire accent this time? In the interest of balance.

 

LOL!

 

He should have stood down months ago.

 

I expect Jackie Baillie will be eyeing up a leadership campaign.

 

Given the available candidates, I don't think @Indie can rule out getting the job.

 

She's a transphobic, self-interested moron. Ignore everything she has to say.

 

Agree she’s awful. But I do think she is a likely future leader which is a scary thought.

 

Is she fuck. Honestly, if the SNP get rid of Nicola they are fucked. Only Mhairi Black stands out to me as matching her charisma and she sadly remains far too young.

 

They're projected to take all but ONE seat?!

 

Salmond is a creep who hates Sturgeon's success - she has taken the SNP to levels that he couldn't have managed in a dozen leaderships. Yes, ther SNP had a post Indyref bounce after "The Vow" was binned immediately after the result but a lot of credit needs to be given to Sturgeon for that *not* being a dead cat bounce.

 

I don’t think the SNP landslide is that unexpected. They have at least 40% of the electorate sewn up who want independence, and then there are those who support Sturgeon’s handling of the pandemic.

 

Scotland hasn’t really handled the pandemic any better than England, but what Nicola has done throughout the pandemic is step up to be a leader, something that has been completely lacking in all other parties both in Scotland and the rest of the UK

 

I believe it's a response to this:



Tory and Labour MSPs also put forward their own transphobic/TERFy amendments Why are these people EVERYWHERE on this accursed island?

 

I'd definitely seen a lot of furore about it on social media for the past few days - I'm glad she's said something, but I do think that Cherry and pals will keep pushing their shit before the election.

 

I've said it before: the SNPs transphobia problem is very similar to Labour's antisemitism problem and it will be absolutely weaponised against them. Sturgeon will not be able to remove Cherry and her ilk and it will be headline stuff before the election in May, used to underscore their divisions which will, in turn, become about Sturgeon's "failure to lead".
I am seriously anxious about this being an election issue because it will turn into violence once the right wing press decide this is their lead story with which they can bury Sturgeon.

 

I just find it so weird that Cherry is pushing this in the run up to an election, isn't there a huge risk it will be seen as the blatant power grab it clearly is, splinter the party and hurt their chances? You'd think they would at least shut up until after May... of course it's entirely possible she just has absolutely dogshit political instincts.

 

It's partly personal. Cherry hates that Sturgeon didn't back Salmond. Also, Cherry wants control of the SNP before May but is extremely unlikely to get it.

Cherry's calculation is that people will vote SNP anyway, that their support values independence over everything else. The exodus from the party over the last few days is proving her wrong but she won't listen.

 

There is this but then there’s also the fact that Cherry is clearly a complete and utter egomaniac.

I’m also less certain that it can used to bury the SNP because that would require the average person giving one iota of a fuck about trans people. And the difference with this and the Labour antisemitism issue is that politics in Scotland remain divided down independence or union supporting lines. This whole issue may drive a few younger voters towards the Greens (it already has) but if someone supports independence they aren’t going to vote Tory or Labour because of this.

If the SNP oust Nicola prior to the inevitable referendum, never mind the election, then they are ultimately damaging the cause for independence. She remains the party’s greatest asset. The only person that comes close charisma-wise is Mhairi Black, who will inevitably lead the party in ten years or so.

 

In a way, i’m glad that something has gone far enough to force Nicola’s hand and force her to speak out. There is no plausible deniability or blanket of “women’s rights” here, it is quite blatantly transphobic and younger party members are disgusted.

 

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