I came home from work at about 9.30 PM GMT, and I found some really nasty things being said about me. Some of them are true, some of them are not. So I'll obviously have to tell my side of the story. Not sure that anyone will believe me, seeing as just about everyone, including K@ne has already passed their sentence on me. Took me a long time to read all the threads on the subject, and even longer to type this out. But here it is anyway. In this thread I'll deal with the DAF issue. I'll adress the Kelly thing in a separate thread, with a simmilar title. Kelly: Now here's some facts that needs straightning out! Let me tell this story, from the very start. Sometime last year, prolly around springtime, DAF started posting in the Beatles forum at dot. And that's when I started talking to her on MSN, at first only ocassionally - usually about music. I noticed she'd been posting threads in DotLite about her having a problem, in her usual vague, attention seeking style - still not sure if it's deliberately so, somehow I don't think so. I never knew what her problem was though, but one day she sent me a PM saying she had a crush on Wolf, and that she'd been upset about that situation. All Wolf had done was chat with her on the board, reply to PMs and e-mails (dunno when the e-mails started though...). She had told Wolf about the crush, and that she couldn't stand being around him. He told him that it would never ever be, and that he was old enough to be her dad. At this time she left the Beatles forum about twice a week, she didn't announce it though, 'cause I adviced her against doing that. I told her that staying away from the forum would prolly help. But she kept coming back. And sometimes she was ok, and sometimes she couldn't stand being around him. Wolf did nothing that not Mike W, NMTop50, or whoever else has been sending her CDs, has done. He was merely a victim of her affection if you like. More about that later... Anyway, I don't think I'm revealing too much in telling you about this Wolf business, especially considering that her e-mails from Wolf were posted on dot in December, due to her e-mail account being hacked. Upon receiving that PM from her, I think that's about when we started to speak more regularly on MSN. I was giving her advice as to how to cope with this. And so were a couple of other people I've heard. Not too long after that we somehow touched upon the subject of talking on the phone. 'Cause I was into phoning people at the time. I'd phoned Vicky and a few other people. So we agreed I should phone her. OK, I admit saying I only phoned her a couple of times is an understatement. It went on for a month, maybe a little more. I think this is about when Brad and Kelly offered their concern about what it would look like to other people. And foolishly enough, I didn't care what it would look like. 'Cause I knew there was nothing sinister going on. And I didn't see why I couldn't have perfectly friendly conversations about music with her online, or on the phone. By August, I think it was, DAF's threads about her friend/friends had become rather regular. And she kept refering to me in those threads as well, but not by name. And by method of elimination she had pretty much admitted me and Wolf were the people she was refering to: "why would it be NM? (which it btw isn't)"; and when asked if it was Wolf she wouldn't deny it was him. Anyways, I then posted my essay thread "Setting the record straight" (the initial one), where I explained that nothing sinister was going on. And that the only thing that had happened was that she had a crush on guy 2, or whatever name I gave Wolf. And that Wolf had done nothing to incourrage this. I did this to clear me and Wolf's names, because I saw that people were getting the wrong ideas. By the time I posted this thread, in August I think it was, some weeks had passed since I last called her. 'Cause I had realised it was wrong. 'Cause for instance I'd phone her Saturday night, and the next day she'd be asking me when I'd phone her again. So I realised this was turning into something not healthy. And for the record, I haven't phoned her since. Just ask DAF herself. Prior to posting this thread I was telling her just why I shouldn't be phoning her. 'Cause she kept asking me to phone her, but I refused - does that answer your question Joey? Just ask DAF... Anyway, I told her I shouldn't phone her because people would get the wrong idea about it. And even more importantly, her parents didn't know. She had however told them about me, that we'd talked online, my nationality and my age. Her dad asked if I was the same guy who had called her, but DAF lied and said no - fearing her dad would have a fit. And I was also telling her that she shouldn't be giving people out her home adress or phone number, like she had to me. Because, even though I'm harmless, the next guy might not be. And I was also saying, even though I may appear harmless, she has no way of knowing. I could just be pretending to be harmless, but in reality I might be some pervert. My point was she had no way of knowing. Neither has her parents. Or any of you for that matter. Apart from those of you I'd call my friends. Honestly I thought Kelly and Brad knew me better than this, but apparently not... Anyway, I kept incourraging her to tell her parents the truth, about me being the guy who had phoned her. I was hoping that would make them realise what kind of danger their daughter was putting herself in. And eventually she did tell them. And the only question they asked was "Whereabouts in Norway is he from?". And also she says she asked them if it would be ok for me to phone her again, which I had no intent of doing btw. And shockingly enough, they were fine with it. Well, that's what she said anyway. And I asked her a lot of questions about the conversation she had with her parents, to see if she might be lying. But she appeared to be telling the truth. And she does seem to have a thing for the truth, for instance the way she had the opportunity to say "it's not Wolf" but didn't - 'cause that would be lying.