Discussion in 'Moopy Moop' started by Rita, Sep 15, 2020.
You're not kidding, the poll is at 52% / 48%
I did find some tags funny, but it was never a big part of Moopy for me. I think Moopy has been so much fun over the past few weeks, and we haven't had tags. If they can genuinely be policed, then fine, but I've yet to be convinced that's really possible.
Talk about blithely minimising what's been said in the thread. "Snarky tags"? I'm glad you haven't felt what I and others have. At its worst we're talking about targeted, cowardly bullying and there shouldn't be an avenue for it. I'm okay dealing with people calling me what they want if they're prepared to stand behind it.
People shouldn't have to threaten to leave to get their voices listened to. I'd like to have them back, but I think it would need to be an overwhelming majority rather than just by one or two people. I'd be asking the yes voters to come up with a plan which makes the people who have been hurt comfortable with turning them back on. That sort of plan may not be possible, but that's who I'm listening to right now.
Rather than a "Yes, if" I think I am going to go for a "No, unless". I think there probably is something that can be done that would suit enough people, but until that is presented I think in a simple Yes/No, then it has to be no.
I’ve never been the victim of malicious tagging but I’d rather someone had the decency to call me a cunt et al. openly than via a snarky tag. If you have something to say, then say it and fucking own it.
The problem is a number of posters didn’t have the balls to do so and went down the anonymous route instead.
I'm glad we got a good solid debate to close the day for what it's worth. I've gotten used to the bags under my eyes from posting here obsessively and today wasn't bringing it.
Oh @dUb basically just said that.
I don’t think it’s a simple thing as having a vote and the one with the most votes wins. It is practically 50/50 so whatever happens half of Moopy is going to be upset by it. I think for any sort of change now there has to be a significant majority to bring back.
we got rid of tags because it became apparent that it was quite difficult for the Indie to get it to work the exact way we wanted and it became a massive headache.
sure some tags are fun but I just think we might have moved on a bit and with them back it’s just an extra thing to police. If we were to bring them back we need at least two additional mods to help with things. I’m just not convinced that the good outweighs the bad in this case. I
Moopy has clearly turned into a victim forum.
Yes, and that’s why I’m saying they should be called out and dealt with! The avenue shouldn’t be removed just because some people don’t know how to behave appropriately.
Also, do you not think that there’s historically been targeted, cowardly bullying on here in actual posts for many years now? What’s the difference?
Or there's just a point to be made that the forum is vibrant enough without bringing back something that isn't needed? People are certainly happy enough to post...
OK, I volunteer to be DEDICATED TAG MODERATOR.
Respecful Moopy is one thing, but is THIS PATHETIC.
Can I be banned please? @octophone @Indie
Will that continue once the pandemic is over though?
Wasn't dub one of the most vocal people in saying that open bullying had taken place in the last tags thread? Particularly with regards to one person?
And it does no doubt, though it's certainly decreased massively since addressed. I do however think that tags gave those people a greater platform.
Because at least then the aggressor has to answer for it rather than hide behind anonymity.
But posting was already down before the pandemic when tags were the same as always. Do you think bringing back tags would affect that?
And I'm not interested in being one of your victims anymore.
I think drawing a parallel between having tags or not and posting levels is probably folly.
After SOME THOUGHT I’ve changed back to no.
Very much agree with Zen’s “No, unless” stance.
Oh don't! Maybe people just need more time. UGH.
Cool. You'll be happy I'm fucking off for a while then so you live you BEST LIFE!
I think if we go back to how it was AND without tags, we will pretty much die a death.
I can't believe this is all happening again. Just the same as it was 6 months ago, less than that in fact. We were doing FINE.
Fuck this. I'm off to bed.
Honestly I'm OUT.
BAN ME before I have to read any more of the WET DRIVEL.
In all honesty, I don't think it's time that is needed to be able to bring back tags. It's civility and a sense of, if not comradeship, at least RESPECT among a fairly small group of people that goes out of the window for a cheap laugh (when it's not downright bullying) on many occasions.
Tisch voted yes but Iguana voted no.
I’m not anti-tag to be honest - I’ll go with the majority whatever. I was never an avid user and that won’t change if they come back.
Make them public if it is easier. The moderation thing is worth exploring if they are brought back - whether or not the mods/admin want to play babysitter is another thing. I’m all for temp and permanent bans if there is clear bullying/discrimination going on.
I think that how this thread has descended has kinda proven that tags are not appropriate for right now, at least. We’ve all been living mostly harmoniously over the past 6 months. Let’s keep it that way.
Oh COME ON. How much more anonymous can we get with a pretend name and a picture of something totally unrelated to who we actually are? Obviously a lot of you know each other IRL which makes a difference, but even so.
Also, let’s not pretend that certain people on here aren’t quite happy to say nothing when they’re attacked in posts - or worse, play along - for fear of being attacked or demonised in return.
This went well
Well I’m glad no one overreacted
Your wish... etc etc
(Following a more genuine request)
DISLIKE BUTTON NOW.
Tags were one of the funniest thing that moopy ever had. I’ve proper cackled over them in the past. But moopy has evolved into something very inclusive in the last few years and tags unfortunately encourage
1) online bullying
2) in jokes and running jokes, which make it harder for newer and more passive users to integrate.
so I’d reluctantly say no
Well, the vote seems pretty decisive right now (62% no)
If it remains like that, can we at least have some agreement to drop it for a while?
A once in a generation vote you say?
At least give it a year