Discussion in 'Current Affairs & Debate' started by TurnerPrize, Feb 13, 2011.
It's PC GONE MAD
Get on the line to the DEAN OF WESTMINSTER and book the ABBEY right NOW DARLING
BBC are just reporting the second part about civil partnerships in churches, which is nice, but much less important than the right to marry.
I hope heterosexuals will be allowed to enter into civil partnerships too.
I think my head lives in a bubble where I assume these things have already happened. I can't believe we live in a world where this sort of thing is considered a breakthrough. It should go without saying and it should have happened YEARS AGO
It's like they've just suddenly decided to outlaw murder or something. GREAT THANKS
Wow - I wasn't expecting this at all.
Don't get too excited. I haven't seen this reported anywhere else other than the Sunday Times.
I've seen this touted for a while. Apparently Cameron is quite keen on it. I can't think there's anything left now for the gays as far as the law books go.
I remember my shock when civil partnerships came into force. It seemed like such a far away thing, now it's like it always should have been. You can shit on Blair all you like, but he really was a legend as far as gay rights go.
In a more perfect world, marriage would be solely for religious nutjobs and civil partnerships would provide all the rights that anyone else, gay or straight, could ever need.
OMG, is this a step towards being able to have a non-religious church wedding? Where do I SIGN?
Melanie Phillips is already RIGHT ON IT
wait... you can't do civil partnership if you're a straight couple?
No. You can have a civil marriage (which is not allowed to be in a church or have any religious content) but a civil partnership is only for same sex couples. I'm not quite sure what the difference is...
oh I get it now. I was a bit confused. I reckon there is no real difference
Brilliant news I hope they can bring through straight civil partnerships through too, it would be far more equal if everyone could have one.
You're so right, but sadly reality is different.
Here the Civil Partnership Act was voted by the parliament last year but it was cancelled by the superior jury as against the law, a bit later. The new government had promised to make all the necessary changes and resubmit but so far nothing has happened.
Wait, would this be possible?
A Church would allow a non-religious ceremony to take place in it's venue? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let this happen?
I'm sure lots would be resistant but some would just be happy to take the money. I went to a gig in a church the other month and that certainly had no religious content...
Loads of little churches are apparently SKINT, too. The one in my home village would marry black homo satanists if it paid well enough to patch up the roof.
They've got a convicted paedo who plays the church organ every sunday, because he'll do it for free He doesn't do christenings, obv.
As a piece of POLITICAL COMEDY this one's a bit crap, but this letter of thanks after Cameron's second 'gay party' says that this isn't happening any time soon -
They definetely will be. Civil partnership does not make gender specific discrimination, that's the whole point.
Ooh, a much more promising update
I don't understand the delay though. I'd have thought it beneficial to both coalition parties. The Tories can point to legislation passed on their watch to attract gay voters, and the liberals can claim that if they hadn't joined the coalition it wouldn't have happened.
NEVER saw this one coming genuinely very pleasantly surprised
Moved to less dire thread
Silly Tories - this should have been an easy political decision to make. They should have rushed it through Parliament.
The SNP have stolen the initiative and any subsequent legalisation in the rest of the UK will seem much less impressive.
Well, i'm certainly fucking glad that they're bringing it forward. The dialogue had become utterly TEDIOUS. The Church of Scotland are really going to have to keep in step with modernity and the general swing of things if they want to have any congregation whatsoever in 40-50 years time. The Catholics are probably too stubborn to adapt though. It really is quite something considering how PAROCHIAL this place can be at times.
As I said, the SNP have been dancing around this legislation for almost as long as the Tories. The difference here is that all the objections were coming from outside the parliament (ie: there just wasn't any parliamentarians suggesting it was a waste of time as with Westminster.) The SNP haven't been heralding it as some kind of progressive flagship policy at all.
Jesus is crying
Great news for Gretna Green I suppose.
I don't doubt the tourism-based element of the motivations whatsoever.
I still feel that gay marriage was a non-issue until Cameron brought it up in order to claw back gay votes after the raft of anti-gay legislation for which his party had voted for the past few decades.
I always saw CPs as THE SAME THING.
But it never was, and personally I never saw it as the same thing. And it always WAS an issue for the church.
Maybe it's because I'm surrounded by ATHEISTS. I can't remember the last time I was talking to someone where the church came up in conversation.
is the UK secularized?
I guess it depends how you define it. As I recall, over a half of the population identifies itself as 'Christian', but it's only something like 10% who go to church as much as once a month.
Increasingly so. Church attendance is now only about... 7% (?) I think roughly. Obviously there are far more that will claim to believe in God but are FAR from practising Christians. I often feel as though people will say they believe in God in the census and the like because they haven't really thought about it and the alternative feels like rather a big admission.
Other religions remain relatively strong.
Yes, I think that's a big part of it. I don't think there's any real consideration into religion AT ALL from a massive part of the population. Even down to people having their children Christened without giving a moment of thought to what it actually MEANS, for example.
And I'm certain a number of people think they are Christian just because they aren't Muslim or whatever.
The only people who you see coming out of churches near where I live are economic migrants from Africa and Eastern Europe.
I don't mean church attendance but if Christianity is still a state religion