UK midweeks - December/Xmas 2018

Discussion in 'Charts' started by Jark, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Diddy

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    And that there’s some massive connection between the top brass at OCC and Spotify really is the last nail in the coffin for their credibility
     
  2. Slave

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    I think underpinning a lot of this is our AGE.

    A decade ago I just don’t think it would have bothered us so much.
     
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  3. Diddy

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    I agree and disagree, I think more that it doesn’t bother people 10 years younger than us, but we still had our connection with the charts
     
  4. Raining On Me

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    I think age plays its part definitely. It's somehow worse when you're at a point where you read much of the top 10 and don't know all the names in there even though you're very likely to have heard the songs. It also doesn't help when you don't LIKE a lot of it either but again, that might well be age.

    I only have 3 problems really:

    1) Songs continuing to add up endless sales just because they're played over and over. I've spammed Madonna's Ray of Light album over the years but it doesn't mean I should count as having bought it 50 times.
    2) I think playlists have too much influence. They are in some ways the new radio where every passive play counts towards a sale.
    3) Free accounts shouldn't have any influence at all.

    But then as said, how different would it be anyway. It might just mean a few flops are less floppy and certain hits don't clog up the charts forever. Although even that's an improvement
     
  5. Raining On Me

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    On a POSITIVE I'm enjoying a lot more chart hits these days than in 16/17 I'm sure. We've just had a Gaga number one and that Ava Max track is a solid 10/10 pop song no less. The appetite for it is still there..
     
  6. octophone

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    The UK charts NEVER reflected what people were "listening" to. It reflected what they were buying. Radio play was always resisted because it was lowest-common-denominator - what a small number of programmers and radio producers THOUGHT we wanted to hear. This is also exactly what Spotify playlists are; what a small group if people THINK we want and they are consumed equally passively.
     
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  7. Slave

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    Whilst I don’t disagree in theory, the consumer must take blame here, not playlist curators.

    Spotify, unlike radio, gives the consumer the power to create highly tailored playlists and have exclusive control over what they play. The fact that they’re lazy and instead choose to stick on a generically assembled playlist is not really the fault of Spotify.

    The other difficulty here is we’re really getting into the minutiae of music consumption. Sales are quantitative, they are easily recordable and measurable. Intention and passivity are not so - again whilst I don’t disagree with the notion that curio/passive plays should not hold the same “sales value” as ones deliberately sought out, it’s something that is impossible to measure.

    If ten people are sat in a cafe and a song comes on that five of them enjoy, does that merit it clocking up a “sale”? A different five people might enjoy the next song - maybe even only one person enjoys the song after that. Trying to attach quantifiable measures to what is essentially brain function is never, ever going to produce accurate results.
     
  8. dmlaw

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    I'm not sure that either playlist curators or Spotify users should take the blame for playlists having such an influence on the charts. The fault is surely with the OCC for not sorting all of this out before introducing streaming into the charts.
     
  9. Slave

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    I can only imagine the discussions would be as divided there as they are here, since there doesn’t really seem to be a consensus.

    Unlike downloads where nearly everyone was saying: “just INCLUDE THEM IN THE CHART”
     
  10. octophone

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    Well, it was foreseeable - you give people the easy option, they'll take it.

    A download was just a new format - rather than buying a 7" single of a CD, you were buying an mp3 file - it was still a sale. This isn't and can't be juggled to look like one, which is what they're trying to do.
     
  11. Robbie

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    Thursday Update

    Better late than never... though the charts that are published today will probably look much different.

    Singles

    1 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (4k ahead of #2, 4.3k ahead of #3)
    2 Wham! - Last Christmas
    3 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho
    4 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York
    5 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?

    6-10
    7 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
    8 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
    9 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone
    10 Elton John - Step Into Christmas

    11-20
    11 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
    12 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
    13 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
    14 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree
    15 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody
    19 John Lennon, Yoko Ono & The Plastic Ono Band with the Harlem Community Choir - Happy Xmas (War Is OVer)
    20 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime

    21-30
    22 Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) *
    23 Sia - Santa's Coming For Us ^
    24 Katy Perry - Cozy Little Christmas *
    25 Boney M - Mary's Boy Child / Oh My Lord ^
    27 Justin Bieber - Mistletoe ^
    28 Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year ^
    29 Jackson 5 - Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town *
    30 Bing Crosby - White Christmas ^

    31-40
    32 Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree ^
    33 East 17 - Stay Another Day ^
    35 Mud - Lonely This Christmas ^
    36 Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock *
    37 Idina Menzel & Michael Bublé - Baby It's Cold Outside *
    38 Michael Bublé - Holly Jolly Christmas ^
    40 The Darkness - Christmas Time (Don't Let the Bells End) ^

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Albums

    1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (15k ahead)
    2 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's
    3 Michael Bublé - love
    4 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies
    5 Michael Bublé - Christmas

    6-10
    7 Olly Murs - You Know I Know
    8 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
    9 Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody

    11-20
    12 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
    13 Paul Heaton - The Last King of Pop
    14 Little Mix - LM5
    15 Queen - The Platinum Collection
    16 Rod Stewart - Blood Red Roses
    17 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again

    21-30
    21 Andre Rieu & Johann Strauss Orchestra - Romantic Moments II
    22 Paloma Faith - The Architect
    24 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
    25 Kidz Bop Kids - Kidz Pop 2019

    31-40
    31 Ed Sheeran - ÷
    34 Elton John - Diamonds
    35 Pinkfong - PTS: The Best of Baby Shark
    36 Eminem - Kamikaze
    37 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
    38 ABBA - Gold: Greatest Hits
    40 21 Savage - i am > i was
     
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  13. SDF

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    Leona in the top 10 is almost as big a victory as Mariah at 1 :o
     
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    I maintain that Wizzard is one of the greatest records ever made by anyone, let alone Christmas records but I'd hate to get tired of it.
     
  15. Indie

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    Poor Jona Lewie. Cruelly overlooked.
     
  16. octophone

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    Oh yeah, right enough. Has that one fallen off the radar over the last few years?
     
  17. lolly

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    I don't like to seem flippant, but it probably IS just because it's not prominently placed on the right playlist...
     
  18. octophone

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    TRUE. Brass bands just don't get the "party" "swinging".
     
  19. Indie

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    I nearly said the same thing. There's a slight American tinge to some of the Christmas trending songs (save a few UK megahits).

    I noticed it when my missus played a few Christmas playlists.
     
  20. SDF

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    Oh number 2 for Mariah

    Ava Max at 1

    @VoR to be banned :side-eye:
     
  21. lolly

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    So unless there's any change, she'll probably get it next year, with Christmas Day falling on a Wednesday. But I suspect there will be change.
     
  22. Rita

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    I would have loved to see Mariah at Christmas number 1. I really couldn’t care less about her getting to number 1 now as Christmas is over. Next year though... :disco:
     
  23. Iguana

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    How disappointing. :(
     
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  24. lolly

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    Where's Jark? :(
     
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    Didn't he bet on #1 for Xmas? He doesn't make any money but still cursed Mariah, great.
     
  26. Alla

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    Specially after all those posts giving us hope. I'm furious.
     
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  27. SDF

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    Pray for @Jark x
     
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  28. SDF

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    :o / :(
     
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  29. Rita

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    No he cursed poor Ava. Last we will hear of her then. :(
     
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    That has actually ruined my night. 152 sales? If we knew that I am sure we could have done it between us.:evil:
     
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    I know, being so close makes it more painful. I blame Kala for not playing it enough.
     
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  32. lolly

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    Does it state how many she would have sold with the same streaming ratio as Ava Max?
     
  33. Rita

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    @dUb to be STRIPPED of his lamb status.
     
  34. SDF

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    Mariah's streaming was more than double what Ava Max managed:

     
  35. lolly

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    25 of the Top 40 being Christmas tracks? That's very similar to last year isn't it?

    I'd love to see a chart if they hadn't tinkered with the ratio. I imagine there's a good chance Ava Max wouldn't have been Top 5.
     
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    Actually, considering the #10 (Step Into Christmas) sold 43k and would have been very largely streaming sales, I think Ava Max may well not even have been Top 10 with a level playing field.
     
  37. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    What an ABSOLUTE FUCKING DISGRACE
     
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  38. Slave

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    Don’t worry, she’ll have it SEWN UP next year.
     
  39. Alla

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    Unless they change the rules again, and that might happen.
     
  40. Sheena

    Sheena MAKE IT QUICK, LUCILLE!

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    This. We have no idea if she’ll get it next year or not because of this lunacy. And also, who knows whether there will be some Christmas death/ song about sausage rolls that fucks it all up again. It’s absolutely WRONG that the chart is fucked so badly that this happens.

    But we’ve been here before.
     

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