George Floyd and the police brutality debate

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So this has exploded over in the states and the video is spreading like wildfire around the world. What a grim, sad story. #icantbreathe is also trending, some of his final words. :(
 

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I watched the video and realized I won't be able to watch the next one, I can't consume any more black death. They tortured and killed him right there in the street, he was laying there begging for air and his life, and it slipped away.

I can't imagine that this won't eventually end in mass uprising, and I don't think the American democracy will survive if Trump gets in for another 4 years.
 
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Saw it yesterday and was just disgusted. Pretty difficult to watch, but I don’t like to get involved too much on social media.

Mostly why the hell have these (ex)officers not even been arrested yet? News said investigations were still ongoing. You don’t need all of that just to take them into custody in the first place. If you want to prevent or calm more civil unrest, fast-track this thing immediately.

I predicted this might happen as soon as I saw the video. Has no one learned anything since the Rodney King incident? Clearly not as it’s just been happening constantly ever since, just now it’s readily being recorded more often and they’re STILL getting away with it.
 

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The frequency of this kind of thing happening is just disheartening. It feels like not a week goes by without the police killing another black man or woman. And with the current government you just know nothing will be done (I mean nothing was done during the Obama era).
 

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There was also this incident from a few days


The venom in which she says “I’ll call the police and tell them that an African American man is threatening me”
 

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The frequency of this kind of thing happening is just disheartening. It feels like not a week goes by without the police killing another black man or woman. And with the current government you just know nothing will be done (I mean nothing was done during the Obama era).

not a day goes by on reddit without a video of American police killing a black person trending. it's fucking awful and scary what kind of supremacist people they admit to their police and military forces

well, a police station in Minneapolis is on fire now and Trump's tactics are as tactless as ever...

 
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not a day goes by on reddit without a video of American police killing a black person trending. it's fucking awful and scary what kind of supremacist people they admit to their police and military forces

well, a police station in Minneapolis is on fire now and Trump's tactics are as tactless as ever...

And the follow-up, which is probably his worst tweet he has ever done.


What the fuck happens in November if he loses?
 

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There was also this incident from a few days


The venom in which she says “I’ll call the police and tell them that an African American man is threatening me”
This stupid cunt thankfully lost her job AND her dog over this, which is probably for the best as she was literally CHOKING IT in the name of having her power play moment over a black man. She says she's very sorry. Yeah I bet you are BITCH! Truly a Karen for the ages.
 

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What the fuck happens in November if he loses?

Trump backed civil unrest is a very like outcome as it seems right now. the way he's pitting himself against the state and city leaders who are holding the country he's running together with duct tape at this point is... despotic to say the least
 

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Part of me wants them to burn the whole fucking city to the ground, because under the bravura these white nationalist pigs are absolute cowards. But the chances of Trump retaliating with some off the scale massacre are so high the immense loss of life would be unbearable. It’s all so terrible.
 

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Wheres the debate? He was murdered.

This is what makes the gaslighting so utterly insane.

The video is out there. I couldn't watch it but thousands - millions, probably - have seen it.
In that video, George Floyd is murdered by an impassive police officer who clearly couldn't care less that he is killing Floyd.
Yet, the mayor wants us to believe that there is "other evidence" that would somehow not support criminal charges.
Pure gaslighting. Pure racism.
All of it persistently stoked and even delivered by Trump.

I find it near impossible to articulate how angry this makes me but I am also at a loss to work out how to do something positive that isn't just throwing a few quid at something.
 

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Seriously some people are arrested and charged on the spot when just “under suspicion” of violating traffic laws. What the hell is the delay?
 

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These police officers never seem to get charged. If this one does, it'll only because its so high profile, and even then I'd be surprised.
 

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I find it near impossible to articulate how angry this makes me but I am also at a loss to work out how to do something positive that isn't just throwing a few quid at something.

Indeed. I do try to be careful as sometimes there’s a fine line between ally and pseudo white saviour. Of course you can’t help but express outrage, but being thousands of miles away and with no actual platform to make a difference, what can the rest of the world say or do? I totally cringe at moronic retorts of “All Lives Matter” with a whole bunch of out of context graphs about interracial violence.

Charlize Theron is speaking up (as are others I’m sure), but she has a platform.

 

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I do try to be careful as sometimes there’s a fine line between ally and pseudo white saviour. Of course you can’t help but express outrage, but being thousands of miles away and with no actual platform to make a difference, what can the rest of the world say or do?

That's exactly it. How to properly support but do so from the back, amplifying voices rather than drowning them out?
 

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Literally whining about Twitter while one of his cities burns. Remarkable.

 

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Seriously some people are arrested and charged on the spot when just “under suspicion” of violating traffic laws. What the hell is the delay?
Right. I fail to see how using deadly force for suspected FORGERY (surely the most quintessential nonviolent crime) is anything but murder when there is no evidence he was resisting or an armed threat. I'd say it was manslaughter but surely nine to ten minutes of kneeing someone's neck is premeditated murder.
 

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Right. I fail to see how using deadly force for suspected FORGERY (surely the most quintessential nonviolent crime) is anything but murder when there is no evidence he was resisting or an armed threat. I'd say it was manslaughter but surely nine to ten minutes of kneeing someone's neck is premeditated murder.
The police officer standing in the way of cameras is also premeditated.
 

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No idea how much of this is true... outrageous if even just a couple of them are true.

 

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I watched the video and realized I won't be able to watch the next one, I can't consume any more black death. They tortured and killed him right there in the street, he was laying there begging for air and his life, and it slipped away.

Didn't watch it for this very reason.

I mean... the EXACT CAMPAIGN has already happened with the EXACT SAME WORDS (the 'I Can't Breathe' - India.Arie wrote her song 'Breathe' about the exact same quote three years ago) and it's like the public just forget about it for years until the next high profile one happens.

It's so frustrating and I don't know what can be done about it now with Trump in power giving sympathy to white protestors but condemning black. Journalists reporting on it but being arrested in the street because we have such a divide between media and government now. It's just devastating. :(
 

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FINALLY arrested, but not sure about the accomplices. Should really have been marched out of his home in cuffs and paraded around on camera though:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-friday/index.html
He was charged with third-degree murder which is basically an act of indifference to human life without the explicit intent to kill. It's usually reserved for drug dealers who sell opioids and other narcotics that inadvertently kill their user. This is confusing to me because the officer should have never used force on a non-violent (suspected) criminal in the first place, let alone deadly force. It's basically like killing a prostitute for no reason. This is literally first degree murder. If he's convicted and not killed in prison he will absolutely get out with plenty of years of freedom. This sets an awful precedent even if it is better than no consequences at all.
 
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So the riots spread last night. You have to wonder how much it's a mix of racial tensions inflamed by lockdown/ economic crash.
 

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Is it though? There’s normally an extremely high barrier for first degree murder - premeditation, killing whilst raping etc.

EDIT: Here’s a good article on the charging decision.
My understanding is that a defendant can be charged with multiple variations of murder and manslaughter and the jury ultimately decides which charge, if any, fits the requisite intent. That's how it is in my local state (Michigan) and many other states but I'm not sure about Minnesota to be fair. Premeditation can develop over a long period of time or the course of a few moments during the act itself as that article puts it. The prosecution will have a difficult time prosecuting any law enforcement killing, but their closing statement is that grotesque nine minute video. I think reasonable minds could convict first degree murder - maybe not but I feel like it should be on the jury verdict form with the third degree charge if possible in Minnesota.
 

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Making assumptions but there a LOT of white folk in this thread...

This is not going to die down in America this is truly the beginning of something whether its for the better or worse we will see.
 
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