Yes & yes, to answer this hypothetical situation.yes, i'm genuinely interested in hearing your answers?
1) would you believe the guys if they made a compelling documentary?
2) would you then erase Madonna from your life?
To any bastard that comes here and says they lied before, then you have so little understand of how childhood trauma plays out in adulthood.
No one said otherwise though in this thread.
The fact that he still has a career and actually has hits is fucking astounding.And fuck Chris Brown. Again, I never liked him so haven't had to expunge him, I just wanted to say fuck that guy.
I think should you feel guilty about eating palm oil is a whole other topic
I have been known to tell people to turn R Kelly OFF whenever Ignition (Remix) pops up. Uniformly and without exception they then tell me to DO ONENot that I go out much (Covid or not) anymore, but if I were out and an R Kelly song came on then I would most certainly leave the dance floor and I would definitely give whoever was playing it the thumbs down and also make a *MUCH DISGUST* face.
I don’t actually believe he was a pedo. Well I guess it’s how you define pedo. Was he troubled, naive and no doubt highly inappropriate? Yeah. But more down to psychological trauma than actually being evil and twisted. I’m sure there were cuddles and secrets and I don’t condone any of it. I haven’t actually seen the documentaries or read all the details so it might be based on my own lack of understanding. Or unwillingness to deal. I was never a fanatic but he was a huge part of my childhood. And I’m keeping the music.
Anyway either way I tend to separate the real life person from the artist. I still have a couple of R Kelly tracks on my playlists.
Well I think Ag's point (and correct me if I'm wrong @Ag) is that it's a bit preposterous to have an opinion (and specifically, one that exonerates Michael Jackson) without watching the documentary.well nobody is forced to watch that doc, especially given the subject matter.
Some queens: I don't think he's a paedophile.
Also some queens: I've not looked at the evidence.
too many artists are driven by demons and it's not a coincidence.
I'm inclined to agree on Woody Allen. His recent interview with Hadley Freeman was pretty good on this and I think lumping him with Polanski is easy but wrong. It's unclear what happened in the abuse accusations and his currently marriage might be ethically icky, but they've been married for 20 odd years now, so something works.I also don't personally believe Allen should be lumped into the list and I especially take issue with actors who willingly worked with him now apologising for it (especially those like Kate Winslet who also worked with factual child rapist Roman Polanski!), but I've also learned that the Allen debate isn't really worth having because people get very upset and accuse you of condoning all sorts of shit and say "believe women!" and it's all downhill from there. Public opinion is not concerned with what we actually know about the case, in that specific instance.
Amen to tha, @Peekaboo .
And whilst we are on the subject of artists being 'tormented' or 'tortured souls' (@ameraal @RaspberrySwirl ), does that mean we should give them a free pass then? Why restrict this to artists? Why not shopkeepers, cleaners, teachers and nurses? Or are they on some kind of lower intellectual field because they are mere mortals?
Not their past work, but they should certainly lose their position and should be blacklisted by research funding bodies etc. and should also lose their position on any committees, charities etc.I didn’t mean anyone should get away with anything illegal or hurtful, we’re discussing their art/products.
If a scientist was a rapist; would we disregard his work just because of his personal life?
And I'm saying we should question that and not necessarily just 'accept' it. Where does one draw the line? Having a few drinks before going on stage or being a rapist?Creative types get away with a LOT.
Not their past work, but they should certainly lose their position and should be blacklisted by research funding bodies etc. and should also lose their position on any committees, charities etc.
doin' time (Phil Mitchell remix)Even after serving in prison (or however you say that in English)?
And whilst we are on the subject of artists being 'tormented' or 'tortured souls' (@ameraal @RaspberrySwirl ), does that mean we should give them a free pass then?