Is Judas due a re-appraisal?

How do you feel about Judas in the year of LG 2020?


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Jark

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I think it might be time.


The video, although clearly directed by a popstar and a choreographer, has some really amazing looks - beautiful wigs, beautiful make-up. The guy playing Jesus is stunning and the whole thing has this lazy "fashion shoot where's everyone's on xanax" vibe that I dig. Gaga described it at the time as "her most exciting artistic work" to date.

As for the song, when I put it on, which is not too often, I'm always reminded that it's better than I give it credit for. Watching the video now I just discovered a little adlib right at the end of the final chorus (just a holy fool) which I think I never heard before - it's divine.

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I actually think that song put a lot of people off. It’s ok. I don’t mind the verses but the chorus is like something Steps would use mixed with a Gaga chorus tick box ( I don’t like them sorry). There were far better songs on the album that could’ve been a single.
 

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One of her worst for me, it sounds like a parody of a Lady Gaga song and altogether quite lazy.

Having said that, I do appreciate more focus being given to one of Jesus’ most exciting disciples. Yes, he was a bitch. Yes, he was a snitch. But what an absolute game-changer he plays in the Bible - the Makosi Musambasi of the New Testament.
 
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The video is SHIT THE BED AMAZING, but the song...it sort of felt like she was trying to do a statement single, except the song itself wasn’t actually ABOUT anything except a load of biblical cliches strung together and so it just felt utterly hollow and fluffy.

I remember when I first heard the leak, as it was hyped as CLASSIC GAGA after the divisive Born This Way, and I was so disappointed as it just felt like a retread of past glories but not as good - ESPECIALLY when something like Dance In The Dark hadn’t been allowed single status.

The song still hasn’t really improved for me at all. Marry The Night or Edge Of Glory would have been much better second single choices.
 
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The song still hasn’t really improved for me at all. Marry The Night or Edge Of Glory would have been much better second single choices.

This is so wrong. Marry The Night actually shouldn’t have been a single anyway and cause the second single was going to still be fighting with Born This Way cause of the release schedule they chose, The Edge Of Glory would have been entirely lost.
 

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And Judas is the demon I cling to

I – CLING – TO


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The subsequent launch into the final chorus with the modulations is HEAVEN

It is undeniably a big old rip off and REDUCTIVE mind :D
 

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Marry The Night is not really single material in my opinion. It's among my least favourite on Born This Way.
 

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Terrible single. It really helped tarnish her brand. Too lightweight, the "Gaga" self referencing was getting overused by that point and I'll forever hear "Chewed arse" after a Moopy poster said that's what they heard when it was first released.
 

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The video is the absolute tits. I was obsessed at the time. The song is probably an 8 now, although a 10 at the time.
 

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the chorus is like something Steps would use mixed with a Gaga chorus tick box ( I don’t like them sorry).
This is spot on. I think the main issue is actually the production. I absolutely LOVE the menacing verses with those bombastic industrial beats but then the chorus kicks in with those shitty Melodifestivalen synths. The Judas/Gaga chants are also a piss poor version of the ones in Bad Romance. It’s a MESS of a song and a bad single but in context of the batshit crazy album it works and I still enjoy it a lot.
 

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It's top tier Gaga and even Steps acknowledged it BUT, and I may be alone on this one but it shouldn't had been the second single, it screamed 3rd or 4th single since I heard it for the first time.
 

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Never understood why her fans hail this as one of her greatest achievements. It's very mid-tier to me. Half of Chromatica is better for me.
 

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I listened to this the other day and thought “wow this is much better than I remember it!” then the infuriatingly limp chorus came around and then realised that’s the bit I was remembering.
 

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Wasn't this the first video Laurieann Gibson didn't choreograph? It was around there anyway, it really shows, it's among her worst.

That said,

I've learned love is like a brick, you can
Build a house or sink a dead body

is one of her best lyrics ever. :disco:
 

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Great chorus, but it feels like a bit of a re-tread, and that breakdown feels incredibly dated now. Ew.

I think I was hard on it at the time as the previous single had put me off her, but I'd say its a perfectly fine Gaga song.
 

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I've always loved it. There are elements that are a bit... reductive ("Ju-DAH-Ju-DAH-AH-AH"). But the pure disdain in her voice in the verses "I'll bring him down, BRING HIM DOWN-DOWN" paired with the classic Gaga chorus will never be wrong with me. I don't think it was as damaging as the loons suggested it was at the time. It crashed a bit after a strong top ten debut, as was the general norm back then with high profile releases on a sales driven chart (at least in the US). It wasn't really given an opportunity to rebound after that as they already moved on to "Edge of Glory". I don't think that was the wrong decision but I think "Judas" was unfairly maligned.

I'd rank it as my favorite BTW single.
 

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Marry The Night is not really single material in my opinion. It's among my least favourite on Born This Way.
I love it as an album opener but I agree that it was not a strong single choice. I don't think it really mattered since it was single #5 from a dying campaign, mind you, but the ten minute video treatment was just pointless.
 

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This is incredible but it's kind of undeniable that it was the first blip she had in her momentum, and started off that first period of decline in her overall STAR.

I feel like we'd all lose our SHIT if she released it today.
 

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I'm shook by how many gays seem to have been put off by the song Born To Way. I have to say I was a bit too. I still think it's all right but it doesn't get me the way a gay anthem should...
 

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Those sledge-hammering beats :disco:

If I miss anything on Chromatica, it's that Gaga Industrial Revolution sound from BTW. She sounds so BIG.
 

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Listening back to Born This Way this morning, I'm not at all surprised it heralded a commercial decline for her. It's so enveloped in that clinical, industrial sex club sound that you could literally shit on it, vomit on it, and then wipe it clean for the new client; it couldn't help alienating people who had been here for Just Dance and Telephone.
 

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