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  • I voted... BREXIT PARTY

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  • I voted... PLAID CYMRU

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I voted... DUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I voted... SINN FÉIN

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  • I voted... UUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I voted... SDLP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I voted... INDEPENDENT

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  • I didn't vote / spoiled my ballot

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  • I PREDICT... Conservative majority > 100

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Keir Starmer? The start of a shift to the left? You fucking WHAT? :laugh::rofl::laugh::rofl: :emoji_skull:

No, not at all. And exactly why that misses the point ENTIRELY. I never said that. Starmer is Blair 2.0. But if you think this ACTUALLY REALLY RIGHT WING country is going to go from Boris to a replacement Jezza, you’re fucking deluded. So let’s move to the centre and work from there. Rather than splitting the party down the centre and watching another 20 years of Tory rule...
 

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I suppose a shift from far right to just right of centre is still a shift, but forgive me if it’s one I fail to get excited about.

I kind of agree with this but also, it’s one you shouldn’t be so fucking middle class snobby about, for the reasons I’ve listed above.
 

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A FB friend just posted this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/tory-leigh-still-unconvinced-by-labour

How do you even deal with this sort of cunt? Previously Labour but thinks Boris “seems to care”, and doesn’t think Cummings did anything wrong. For FUCK’s sake.

And if the problem is that Labour is now disconnected from the working class, as suggested here, how exactly is SIR KEITH going to turn that around?
 

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A FB friend just posted this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/tory-leigh-still-unconvinced-by-labour

How do you even deal with this sort of cunt? Previously Labour but thinks Boris “seems to care”, and doesn’t think Cummings did anything wrong. For FUCK’s sake.

And if the problem is that Labour is now disconnected from the working class, as suggested here, how exactly is SIR KEITH going to turn that around?
What is this Keith stuff all about ?
 

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I never thought i’d say this but BURNHAM FOR PM
 

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I'd still 100% vote Labour next time. Our MP makes that a worthwhile thing.
 

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I never thought i’d say this but BURNHAM FOR PM
well he can FUCK RIGHT OFF as well. using the funds for Manchester STAND-OFF with Boris in October for RELENTLESS OPPORTUNISM. always gagging to be on camera. no THANKS.

I'm beginning to think the only suitable candidate for Labour who can actually get people out to vote while also representing positive change is Sadiq Khan.
 

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well he can FUCK RIGHT OFF as well. using the funds for Manchester STAND-OFF with Boris in October for RELENTLESS OPPORTUNISM. always gagging to be on camera. no THANKS.
Really? I thought he was quite good at highlighting Westminster's disgusting mistreatment of anything not London and the South East, and came out of it looking like he was standing up for his constituents, because he was.
 

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Really? I thought he was quite good at highlighting Westminster's disgusting mistreatment of anything not London and the South East, and came out of it looking like he was standing up for his constituents, because he was.

That was certainly my take.
 

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Really? I thought he was quite good at highlighting Westminster's disgusting mistreatment of anything not London and the South East, and came out of it looking like he was standing up for his constituents, because he was.
I thought he gave the impression of shutting EVERYTHING down, ranting endlessly and trying to extend the whole drama to keep himself in the news. awful man. other northern mayors got a much better deal for their cities by behaving reasonably and engaging in a dialogue. he fucked himself and Manchester over.
 

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I thought he gave the impression of shutting EVERYTHING down, ranting endlessly and trying to extend the whole drama to keep himself in the news. awful man. other northern mayors got a much better deal for their cities by behaving reasonably and engaging in a dialogue. he fucked himself and Manchester over.
I don't agree with this at all. The only people acting unreasonably were Johnson and his government, and you need look no further than furlough for proof.
 

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I also thought Burnham came across well, but I’m not up there amidst it obviously!
 

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All of the liberals and socialists in this thread arguing about the various shades of 'being left' is a wonderful metaphor for how populism has risen so easily. How are you supposed to unite against such a one-note movement as xenophobia? The Right don't give a shit how Right they are or aren't, they just vote based on who will stop foreigners moving in next door.

Get it together people. I can't take another 4 years of this shit.
 

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I thought he gave the impression of shutting EVERYTHING down, ranting endlessly and trying to extend the whole drama to keep himself in the news. awful man. other northern mayors got a much better deal for their cities by behaving reasonably and engaging in a dialogue. he fucked himself and Manchester over.
He was under the impression negotiations were still underway. The government walked away. Manchester had been under restrictions since THE END OF JULY. With no extra support, Liverpool was put into restrictions much later hence economic impact hadn’t been as bad
 

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I thought he gave the impression of shutting EVERYTHING down, ranting endlessly and trying to extend the whole drama to keep himself in the news. awful man. other northern mayors got a much better deal for their cities by behaving reasonably and engaging in a dialogue. he fucked himself and Manchester over.
We quite like him in Manchester so he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon (every seat but five in the council are held by Labour too). I got the feeling that he was rightly exposing the sheer cuntery of the government and the fact that they were giving us absolute peanuts before we entered tier 3. Burnham knew full well many of the small businesses in the city (and there’s PLENTY of them) would be even more damaged by another lockdown. I got the sense he actually CARES about the people he represents. Let’s not forget we’ve been under restrictions since JULY and have had next to no support.
 

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All of the liberals and socialists in this thread arguing about the various shades of 'being left' is a wonderful metaphor for how populism has risen so easily. How are you supposed to unite against such a one-note movement as xenophobia? The Right don't give a shit how Right they are or aren't, they just vote based on who will stop foreigners moving in next door.

Get it together people. I can't take another 4 years of this shit.

I don't think this is strictly true though. Brexit is only happening because the Tories were split over David Cameron's social progressivism and he needed to throw the right wing a bone.

Theresa May's various attempts at a deal were shot down by her own party. Anna Soubry started a new political party and tanked her own political career in the process over Brexit. And that's without going into the BNP/UKIP/Brexit party issue...

The Tories have their in-fights as well, but they've got a comfortable majority right now.
 

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I thought Burnham came across well but Mrs. Indie disagreed, so i can see both sides of the argument.

The whole thing did very much seem like "the north is in trouble, fine! Regional lockdown with minimal support for you". Oh, what's that, trouble in the south? NATIONAL LOCKDOWN!
 

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That is SUCH a SHIT metaphor :D

The way I would take it is, the left and centre make up a majority and both oppose genocide, whereas the right always vote in unison, get in power, and get to do whatever genocide they want.
True! Like when the Lib Dems went into coalition with Labour in 2010! Oh wait.
 
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I don't think this is strictly true though. Brexit is only happening because the Tories were split over David Cameron's social progressivism and he needed to throw the right wing a bone.

Theresa May's various attempts at a deal were shot down by her own party. Anna Soubry started a new political party and tanked her own political career in the process over Brexit. And that's without going into the BNP/UKIP/Brexit party issue...

The Tories have their in-fights as well, but they've got a comfortable majority right now.

The right is not and has never been as fractured as the left though. On the right you have the Tories and the BNP / whatever Farage is up to these days, but will conveniently unite with the Tories when it comes to voting.

On the left you have Labour, Green, Lib Dems and SNP. All big parties. Imagine if they all had their own agendas and manifestos but come election they all teamed up for a coalition to keep the Tories out. But they'd never do that, because MORALS
 

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True! Like when the Lib Dems went into coalition with Labour in 2010! Oh wait.

And didn't that go down well! Clegg took the Lib Dems from their strongest position in generations, and almost killed them off.

I blame Brown as much as Clegg in that situation, but Clegg seemed to think that he was bargaining with a more centrist leader in Cameron. Only for him to put into a power a man whose only achievement was to isolate the UK from the continent. Not exactly a LIB DEM WIN.
 

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People who want change are likely to disagree on what that change should be and on what should be prioritised. People who want the status quo want no change and therefore agree much more easily. At present, the status quo suits the right wing and not the left.
 

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And didn't that go down well! Clegg took the Lib Dems from their strongest position in generations, and almost killed them off.

I blame Brown as much as Clegg in that situation, but Clegg seemed to think that he was bargaining with a more centrist leader in Cameron. Only for him to put into a power a man whose only achievement was to isolate the UK from the continent. Not exactly a LIB DEM WIN.
Brown agreed to resign though, so I'm not sure that's fair.
 

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The north did get a much rougher deal than the rest of the country before the national lockdown. THAT SAID, I'm sure the decisions the government made weren't all about them being a bunch of bastards. It will have been guided by hospital capacity numbers, protecting the elderly and vulnerable etc as well. Or, at least, I hope it did. :eyes:
 

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The right wing also see power as a good in itself rather than something that can be utilised to create good. Hence, they will always vote to retain power even when there are arguments over what is being done with it.
 

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True! Like when the Lib Dems went into coalition with Labour in 2010! Oh wait.
Erm because Labour outright dismissed the possibility. How much WORSE would the Tories have been without a JUNIOR partner to moderate
 

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Brown agreed to resign though, so I'm not sure that's fair.

Did he? That's not how I remember it, but I could be wrong (ie I could have been reading the wrong papers at the time)

I thought Clegg met with Labour, said he'd consider a coalition without Brown, Brown refused to step down, so Clegg went to Cameron. But I'm not saying I'm correct.
 

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Did he? That's not how I remember it, but I could be wrong (ie I could have been reading the wrong papers at the time)

I thought Clegg met with Labour, said he'd consider a coalition without Brown, Brown refused to step down, so Clegg went to Cameron. But I'm not saying I'm correct.
There was much more back and forth. Labour initially thought the Lib Dems would roll over and do what they wanted. This wasn't the case, and eventually Gordon Brown offered his resignation to secure a coalition. But Clegg claims the numbers still weren't enough and it wouldn't be a functional government so chose Cameron.

Which was clearly a massive mistake. Apparently Labour offered voting reform without a referendum which should have been enough for Lib Dems to jump. Even if the government fell early, if that act had passed before then the Lib Dems would only have benefitted.
 

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I know it’s a BIT EARLY but I can really see a HUNG PARLIAMENT in the next election and if there was ever a chance for a left wing coalition (providing SCOTLAND are still with us)
 

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Also, Jark is chatting, cos Manchester got £50 million in the end, which was proportionally higher than any other northern region
 

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but the left and the centre don't make up a majority. the right and the centre make up a majority. the centre doesn't side with the left anymore, and half of the left is itself also not left anymore.

the metaphor is both wrong and not, in my view - of course it's overly simplistic to put it in those terms, but the left is always told "just compromise your values for now and maybe we'll ACTUALLY be able to do some left-like things further down the line". I think it's fair to wonder (a) if that might be disingenuous coming from people positioned in the centre like Keir Starmer and supporters and (more importantly) (b) how those people can be expected to gain power in order to then do some things for the left if they themselves represent a "lite" version of what already exists. who is going to vote for a centrist politician on the left when the governing party occupies the centre-right, is therefore ideologically not that far removed, and is actually clearly capable of getting into power simply on account of being the current government?

voting for the party NOT in government increasingly seems to be seen as a huge risk. "is he electable? Boris is electable. we know he can be Prime Minister, because he is Prime Minister." obviously that is a highly ridiculous way to see things and yet people do. either there is not enough widespread mutiny or appetite for change in this country, or the right have gaslit a very large percentage of the electorate into thinking what they're offering is the best it's gonna get and a safe pair of hands.

there really isn't any easy way out of this situation. but to be sure it would be useful, at the very least, to have an opposition party that actually represents the opposite of what the government offers. Starmer's thoroughly uninspiring Coke Zero option is not going to have people turning out to vote, and Boris has a lot of free rein to behave more or less however he likes without shedding support. once again, Labour sorely needs new leadership to even think about digging itself out of this hole and (whisper it) changing the political landscape to get back to a place of being "electable."
 

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The centre fucks the world over but apparently it doesn't want genocide! Weren't 600,000 people in Iraq (a conservative estimate) enough for you?!

Which Labour and Conservatives supported...but evil centrist LIB DEMS opposed
 

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