We don't seem to have a general thread for Scottish politics, and next year is going to be quite big with Scottish Parliament elections and potentially announcements about a future independence referendum so I decided to make one
But we don't have all the levers of power? Independence gives Scotland more routes to fix those things. Scotland can't borrow, so if Westminster tighten the budget, then Holyrood can't just make money appear from nowhere. I think the financial argument FOR independence is going to get quite strong as we recover from Covid and the schemes and projects that Scotland want to do can't be funded because of a skinflint Rishi Sunak.Sick of hearing about Scottish independence quite frankly. I wish they’d just get on with sorting out the NHS and education system.
The SNP have just had their conference and internal elections, and there's been some concern as their new women's and equalities conveners are both from the transphobic wing of the party. I really think that this happening so soon before the election next May is really going to force the issue to become even bigger than it already is, and could risk splitting the party.
It's heartening that not everyone in the SNP is on the same page as the bigots - I particularly liked this tweet thread from Aberdeen North MP Kirsty Blackman:
Yes.Scottish moopers, would you still vote YES in indyref2 if the U.K. had some sort of Labour/left-wing government?
I'm curious. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but on gender recognition, I always thought it was a minority but loud view within the SNP opposed to it. How do you think the SNP compare to other parties here?
It'd be a disaster for the left winning a general election in the UK any time soon!As an English man (yuck, I should kill myself), who was desperately against independence last time (because I love Scotland), I fully support Scottish independence now. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!
I disagree, from a Scottish perspective anyway. Scotland has clearly made decisions based on the limitations imposed by Westminster. Furlough is the biggest one I can think of off the top of my head. The Scottish Government had to plead for it to be extended, and at the end of the day it sill wasn't until London and the South East needed it that it happened.God this scares me like not much else right now. Rona's if anything made independence look even more dangerous a prospect (for Scotland and rUK), and yet it's been taken as more of a sign that it's a good idea. If a referendum happens I don't feel confident at all No would win.
That is a good way of getting it to a concise sentiment. I suppose the difference is that people still like Nicola and want independence, so the pressure within the party to sort it out is much smaller than what Corbyn had to go through.It is to the SNP what antisemitism is to the Labour party.
Nominally yes, but in practice if it was a hung parliament and they held the balance of power, they'd back a left government (as very nearly happened in 2017, if the Tories had just lost a couple more seats). Taking 60 typically left seats off the total number of UK seats just makes it much easier for the Tories to win each time, basically.I think I know the answer, but why? And why specifically the SNP, when they already sit opposed to most Westminster politics (from my admittedly limited knowledge)?
I'll have to defer to you for the detail on this, since it really isn't my area at all. However, I am not sure that it makes sense to wed independence entirely with the SNP. Other parties would form the government in an independent Scotland. Why would remaining in the UK vs. leaving it help solve these issues?The NHS has spent the last five years working on reform at the whim of the Scottish Government. The SNP had the bright idea of reducing the number of health boards to five before deciding not to at the last minute after they had made Boards develop full blown merger plans. This was round about the time Tayside was hitting the headlines and possibly a way to pave over that disaster (which happened to be where the previous Cabinet Secretary for Health’s constituency was based ) They finally decided that it wouldn’t sort out issues with funding, staffing levels or health and social care integration - which NHS staff and leaders said all along.
They then decided instead to develop a new network of specialist primary care and trauma centres across the country which seemed to fall out of favour the minute the first ones were launched.
Then they launched the National Transformation Fund to support projects delivering local, regional and national structural change (like getting health boards to use the same systems). Money was committed and projects half delivered before the Scottish Government hollowed out the money, cancelled loads of work midway and decided to focus on Jeane Freeman’s big ticket priorities around waiting times.
In summary years and years of work with very little to show for it. But it’s not the Scottish Government’s fault of course!
Why should Scotland suffer because England shits the bed in so many general elections?Nominally yes, but in practice if it was a hung parliament and they held the balance of power, they'd back a left government (as very nearly happened in 2017, if the Tories had just lost a couple more seats). Taking 60 typically left seats off the total number of UK seats just makes it much easier for the Tories to win each time, basically.
Budget-wise, Scotland gets a shitload more support in terms of the funding for stuff like furlough through being part of the UK/a country with an independent central bank than it would do if it were independent.I disagree, from a Scottish perspective anyway. Scotland has clearly made decisions based on the limitations imposed by Westminster. Furlough is the biggest one I can think of off the top of my head. The Scottish Government had to plead for it to be extended, and at the end of the day it sill wasn't until London and the South East needed it that it happened.
Except tons of European countries have financial schemes similar or more generous than the UKs.Budget-wise, Scotland gets a shitload more support in terms of the funding for stuff like furlough through being part of the UK/a country with an independent central bank than it would do if it were independent.
I've never been fully convinced by why the Euro is that bad, but we don't even need to actually join it if it didn't suit us. The commitment can be deferred easily enough. And EU funding would be available to us again, so there would still be some resources flowing in our direction.The currency question is more important than ever now - if Scotland decides it's going to go for joining the EU (and ergo joining the euro), that de facto means Scotland wouldn't be able to do big deficit spending or quantitative easing in the way the UK's been able to do in this crisis.
This is a weird argument. Quite obviously we would have more powers in an independent Scotland. Including the power to borrow, and it is hardly the only thing that matters. Indeed, given the trainwreck of Brexit, and a lopsided recovery from Covid looming, I think the economic argument for staying in the UK is at the weakest it will ever be, and plenty of people will give it less priority now than they did in 2014.Scotland wouldn't have control over its own destiny any more so than it does now, but it'd have less money to support it through a crisis.
Thank god she isn't relevant and never will be again.Oh dear I was having a look at Johann Lamonts wiki and can see the wee Ned is a TERF too
This is what a lot of us were afraid of.
Joanna Cherry is the ringleader here and she's essentially Scotland's Farage - he believes she has identified the prejudice behind which enough people will unite so as to get her political wish. She believes no-one will go back to Labour and she's probably right. She has her eye on the leadership. If she gets her wish - a new Indyref with herself as leader and trans people are the enemy, I'll have to leave the country for my own safety. It's that serious.