big ron
Chief Super Moderator
I would have thought that will do even more for his reputation now as well?
actually not.Meh. Seems entirely sensible.
was I praising that? I really don't think I was. I was observing it.You realise the tactics you were praising Penny Mordaunt for just yesterday (paying lip service to things he doesn’t actually believe or intend on doing to avoid alienating a huge swathe of floating voters) are exactly what Starmer has been doing consistently since 2019?
was I praising that? I really don't think I was. I was observing it.
either way pretending to be liberal and then not being is probably quite a bit worse than pretending to be more right wing than you really are. and while Penny didn't make any policy promises as part of her "pandering to the base", Keir literally promised to work with the unions, and is now out here commanding his shadow cabinet not to engage with them or speak any support for those striking. so it's really not the same thing at all, is it @VoR. the man's a fucking joke and this country deserves considerably better from an opposition party.
This is essentially what I think, I don’t love him but if he has to lean hard into the centre to get these cunts our then so be it.He’s not pretending to be a liberal. If anything, he’s pretending to be more right wing than he really is! (If he was pretending to be the former then by your own analogy he’s doing a pretty crap job at it!)
He’s very obviously made the tactical decision that, on balance, winning back floating Tory voters is worth the risk of alienating voters on the left. Clearly he’s pissing a lot of people off, but realistically many more of them will bite the bullet and vote Labour anyway. That floating centre-right vote is much more fragile.
In reality a Starmer government is always going to have a much more constructive relationship with Europe than the Tories, and there’s a massively increased likelihood that at some point we’d be in something resembling an economic union again. But of course he’ll deny that consistently while he’s in opposition. If he breathes a word to the contrary, the Tories will run the entire next election on ‘Vote Starmer, Lose Brexit’. And as great as that might sound to us, that would still play very badly with a huge swathe of the population. He’s counting on more loyal left voters to tacitly understand that, and I think most do.
You may not like it - and I do think he’s overplayed his hand a few times recently - but if you’re going to criticise him I think it’s worth doing it from the perspective of what he’s actually doing, instead of creating a Tory in red clothing boogeyman who just doesn’t exist!
This is essentially what I think, I don’t love him but if he has to lean hard into the centre to get these cunts our then so be it.
The strikes have popular support, its almost like hes trying hard not to win at this point. I was happy to tolerate him but hes getting on my tits. I did do mdma all weekend though.I can't allow myself to turn on him until he's won an election.
Good place for Labour to start before Liz might have a bump in the polls.
CENTRALISM’S COMING HOME!