big ron
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Mystery tagger: I didn't do the VoR tag, as I've said many times, anon tagging is beneath me.
I did it before the thread got underway. Because I'm the king of the lols.
Mystery tagger: I didn't do the VoR tag, as I've said many times, anon tagging is beneath me.
Hasn't everybody been quite clear on what strategy they want?
We want Corbyn and Labour to come out in full support of remain. To campaign to stay in the EU via a second referendum. It's still possible. Many, many more Labour voters voted Remain than Leave, so why are we more worried about the Leave ones?
What it all boils down to is that the party is being lead by people who want something vastly different from their own MPs, members and voter base. It's arrogant, it's horribly short sighted, and it has to align immediately, otherwise they will suffer significant losses in the GE and potentially be permanently burned by the refusal to at least TRY to reverse Brexit. And worse, we will be stuck with Boris and crash out of Europe in horrible economic circumstances.
The only strategy anyone wants is Labour to do the right fucking thing and campaign to stay. That's it. It's so simple.
Easy to propose radical social policies when you don't have a cat in hell's chance of getting elected.So whats the solution? If only they were proposing some radical social policies we could focus on instead...
So whats the solution? If only they were proposing some radical social policies we could focus on instead...
ENDORSE FUCKING REMAIN
But the country voted to leave. Vast swathes of Labour voters voted to leave. Stop being so blinkered.
Yes, and by pretending he can somehow magically negotiate a deal that’s in any material way better than Theresa May’s, Corbyn is effectively lying to them.
Yes, and by pretending he can somehow magically negotiate a deal that’s in any material way better than Theresa May’s, Corbyn is effectively lying to them.
But of course he could. The Labour Party never had any of the red lines that May claimed she had, which ultimately bound the kind of deal she could strike.
This is such a crap argument. We can never critique Corbyn when Boris is in power! Being a lesser evil is not IMMUNITY.Meanwhile Boris is taking the fucking piss but lets all focus on Corbyn because we arent getting our own way.
Meanwhile Boris is taking the fucking piss but lets all focus on Corbyn because we arent getting our own way.
I actually care about Labour succeeding.
I do think there's a sense of underlying evil to anyone who uses his power brokers in the unions to attempt to stamp out democracy by having the party deputy removed in an underhand plot because his views represents those of the party voter base and not the party leadership, yes.Jark did, 3 posts up.
I'm bored of this cyclical argument. I don't think he's immune from criticism at all and I haven't bought into any 'cult' - but I'm once again going to post this and leave it - maybe it's not me thats being brainwashed?
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/o...the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/
Much like the Tories recent spending plans.There are a lot of appealing policies but where is the money going to come from? Whats to stop the top 5% emigrating? Higher spending is good but there needs to be much more detail as it all comes across as pie in the sky.
Much like the Tories recent spending plans.
Whats to stop the top 5% emigrating?
I'm not convinced there are any easy choices for Labour here.
Attempting to deselect Margaret Hodge is... not a good look.