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I think we should have as many through from this round as possible rather than cutting it off with an arbitrary percentage figure. How many finalists do we already have?
 

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I'm going to look at a picture of a nice boring horse this is art :)
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Beautiful and classy.
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Shit and lazy.
 

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I think we should have as many through from this round as possible rather than cutting it off with an arbitrary percentage figure. How many finalists do we already have?
191. I was thinking of popping the top 10 through instead.
 

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Still in two minds about the final vote.

Either

1. Rate them all!

Or

2. Pick a top 50 giving top points Eurovision style to your 10 faves of those.
 

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YES.

We will then have rate results and Eurovision results. The top 100 in each will be given points with 100 points for first place down to 1 point for 100th place. These are then combined for the final result.

I don't even know if that's a serious suggestion.
 

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It won't be a vote reveal, rather a countdown. So the voting method question is more for the sake of getting a relevant result and ease.
 

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This was the runaway winner, but Jamala was on the judging panel and asked a cunty question about the Crimea because she hates music and just wants to gob on about politics all the time. Somehow that led to Maruv and Ukraine withdrawing from Eurovision that year.
Jamala wasn't quite responsible for that - more the Ukrainian government (then desperately trying and failing to get re-elected) and the TV station strongarming her into signing a contract which would have forbidden her from performing in Russia, her biggest market, and Maruv refusing.
 

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Modern art is good. Modern art is not some chancer mumbling over a vague beat whilst prancing around in his Mum's curtains with spoons glued to his face.
It's about the horror of mobile phone addiction. He's making a point about having something silly stuck to your face. "You think this is silly? How is it all that different?"

(I however, disagree with his point entirely but still love the song as an unnerving landscape of horror :disco:)
 

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YES.

We will then have rate results and Eurovision results. The top 100 in each will be given points with 100 points for first place down to 1 point for 100th place. These are then combined for the final result.

I don't even know if that's a serious suggestion.
I'm not certain this is quite it but I like the idea of somehow combining "rate" results and "vote" results that are equally weighted. A simple rate on its own doesn't let you reward your favourite songs enough - after all in normal Eurovision scoring your favourite song gets over 20% of all of your point allocation.
 

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It's about the horror of mobile phone addiction. He's making a point about having something silly stuck to your face. "You think this is silly? How is it all that different?"
The majority of modern mobile phone useage doesn't actually involve talking on the phone, so it's a fatally flawed metaphor at best.

Now explain the bogey green velvet.
 
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Actually, given you'd probably have an absolutely massive doubling up of scores if you had equal weighting for ratings plus individual scores, maybe something on the lines of (individual scores altogether Eurovision style) + (rating average*20), so stuff that was GENERALLY LIKED but might miss out on a lot of top tens still gets a reward?
 

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There are basically two main things to decide:

1. the relative weighting of 'normal voting' vs. rating (based on his post above I think Madison prefers 100% rate, I personally would prefer 100% standard voting; 50/50 might be a reasonable compromise)
2. how many songs to give points to in the normal voting section

After that it's pretty much just maths. We don't need to complicate things with thresholds for multipliers or anything like that.
 

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Happy to have just voted and by doing so, brought Conan's percentage down a tad. But still horrified that he's got the joint second highest one as things stand.
 

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There are basically two main things to decide:

1. the relative weighting of 'normal voting' vs. rating (based on his post above I think Madison prefers 100% rate, I personally would prefer 100% standard voting; 50/50 might be a reasonable compromise)
2. how many songs to give points to in the normal voting section

After that it's pretty much just maths. We don't need to complicate things with thresholds for multipliers or anything like that.
If you have a literal 50/50 weighting between rating and standard voting, it's almost certainly going to lead to an overblown landslide for the winner, because the song that got the highest rating *and* the song that gets the most points are likely going to be one and the same. In a rating the vast majority of songs get 'points' of some sort - in standard voting, something getting 1 point means it's one of your favourites. As such you need to find a way to bridge that gap.

Having it so that anything that gets a shit average doesn't get a reward for it (why should anything that gets a 4.5 average in the *final* get anything remotely equivalent - or potentially more - than a song that gets 1 point off everyone?), but that points lead the way while something that gets an average of 8 gets e.g. 80 or 160 points off the bat from that, feels like an easy and workable compromise.
 

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