UK...NIL POINTS

Dark Carnival said:
I had a discussion about Eurovision with a friend earlier in the week and his point was that Eurovision is too white, even for Europe. Specially when you take into consideration the European cultural offer which is much more diverse. Yes, there's a WHIFF OF THE SOUK here and there but ultimately it's the equivalent of going to a Moroccan restaurant once a year and calling yourself open to other cultures.
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Franchement, I see no lies.
 
RaspberrySwirl said:
But that’s not too strange. If you look at the charts and so, it’s still 99% western music.
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Eurovision is even less diverse than the charts. The charts have a bit of 'The Yoof' element influencing them and that sometimes helps introducing new genres.
 
Dark Carnival said:
I had a discussion about Eurovision with a friend earlier in the week and his point was that Eurovision is too white, even for Europe. Specially when you take into consideration the European cultural offer which is much more diverse. Yes, there's a WHIFF OF THE SOUK here and there but ultimately it's the equivalent of going to a Moroccan restaurant once a year and calling yourself open to other cultures.
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[/QUOTE=Dark Carnival]I think this is part of my issue with Babs. It is in no way representative of where French pop music is today. It's a pandering throwback to an RN version of the past that w-hite Europe can swallow.
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I see H is pushing for Steps again on twitter, while Faye is pushing back. I do think What The Future Holds would have been a Top 5 contender this year.
 
Dark Carnival said:
Eurovision is even less diverse than the charts. The charts have a bit of 'The Yoof' element influencing them and that sometimes helps introducing new genres.
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I'm always careful to weigh in here as a white male but in terms of artists and performers (maybe not necessarily music), this year has felt like one of the MORE diverse Eurovision groups in recent memory? But diversity and inclusivity are still two very different things, obviously.
 
VoR said:
I wonder how James would have done with One Last Breath?

I mean he literally couldn't have done worse!
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I actually think last year not going ahead was probably a small tragedy in this regard. We know that he'd have got a 6 off the Swedish jury for one!
 
Barnacle said:
I don't get the artists worried about their credibility thing.

If I was a recording artist on any scale I'd jump at the chance to go to eurovision. Adele and co really need to get over themselves and give it a blast.
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I'm not being funny but Adele is genuinely one of the few artists for whom doing Eurovision could basically ONLY be a bad idea :D
 
Kratz said:
That being said, the onus is on the BBC to both manage and monitor the process. That clearly isn’t happening and hasn’t being for some time. No idea what the solution is - it won’t go to another network (sadly) but if this doesn’t precipitate a total reinvention of the UK at the context, what will?
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I may as well repost my standard suggestion - the BBC should rotate it around its various music radio stations so each one is in charge of the entry for a year. One year it might be 1Xtra, the next it might be Radio 2, the year after it might be 6Music, the next it might be Asian Network, the one after might be BBC Radio Cymru. Sure, they'd be free to take the piss or whatever, but the point is *they're* in charge of the opportunity for that year and they can do whatever they like with it.

In practice, I think a bit of pride and competitive spirit to make a good go of it and do better than the others would kick in with some of them and they'd actually give it a proper shot (and who knows, maybe put a call in to big figures with good ties with the station?), and by sheer serendipity we'd probably end up getting a *half* decent result out of all that variety at some point. And even if it didn't work. we'd likely at least be *interesting* while we were getting it wrong, which is far more than you can say for anything we've sent post-Electro Velvet.
 
dmlaw said:
We should get a dozen or so eligible songs by artists who have already agreed to go, release them to radio in early January and then send the one that does best in the UK charts. We should not tell anyone that this is an audition process for Eurovision.
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Alternatively, this is a fucking fantastic idea.
 
Dark Carnival said:
I had a discussion about Eurovision with a friend earlier in the week and his point was that Eurovision is too white, even for Europe. Specially when you take into consideration the European cultural offer which is much more diverse. Yes, there's a WHIFF OF THE SOUK here and there but ultimately it's the equivalent of going to a Moroccan restaurant once a year and calling yourself open to other cultures.
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This probably needs a topic of its own along with full analysis, stats and notable attempts to provide diverse sounds. :disco:
 
Thankfully even the DM is calling us out for just being SHIT, rather than relying on the Europe hates us stereotype.

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Lucille said:
Thankfully even the DM is calling us out for just being SHIT, rather than relying on the Europe hates us stereotype.

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Interesting, doesn’t quite nail it as much as the Telegraph piece did yesterday but the reaction this year does seem very different.
Makes me wonder what is being said within the BBC right now - probably ‘Whoops, lol. Back to Strictly everybody’
 
The general sentiment from my hinged friends was that they were blown away with how impressive the staging/songs/acts were for other countries, and we just looked terrible and lazy in comparison.
 
Right, we need a list of acceptable candidates to represent us next year so we can bombard the BBC.

So far I have:
Skin off the Skunk Anansie
Skye off the Morcheeba
Alexandra Burke
Fleur East
Amy MacDonald
 
ButterTart said:
Right, we need a list of acceptable candidates to represent us next year so we can bombard the BBC.

So far I have:
Skin off the Skunk Anansie
Skye off the Morcheeba
Alexandra Burke
Fleur East
Amy MacDonald
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Sophie Ellis-Bextor

I hear she's BIG IN RUSSIA.
 
ButterTart said:
Right, we need a list of acceptable candidates to represent us next year so we can bombard the BBC.

So far I have:
Skin off the Skunk Anansie
Skye off the Morcheeba
Alexandra Burke
Fleur East
Amy MacDonald
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Skin and Amy are the only ones with a good profile across Europe and also have their own distinct style. Amy always goes top 5 in Germany, Switzerland,Austria etc. A quick check shows she’s popular in Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden too. She could continuously mention she’s Scottish in her interviews too.
 
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Is it too late to send Cyndi?

I have a long-standing position that sending a French girl with curly black hair singing a ballad is a good idea.
 
BoysForSeles said:
Skin and Amy are the only ones with a good profile across Europe and also have their own distinct style. Amy always goes top 5 in Germany, Switzerland,Austria etc. A quick check shows she’s popular in Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden too.
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I don't see why we don't look to these people. It's a profile boost in the UK and we know Europe wants what they're selling.
 
BoysForSeles said:
Skin and Amy are the only ones with a good profile across Europe and also have their own distinct style. Amy always goes top 5 in Germany, Switzerland,Austria etc.
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I wonder if that's what it would take - a British act that's well known here but actually more popular in mainland Europe, who could see the benefits of that sort of exposure.
 
I think an artist that focuses primarily on the UK and US markets is possibly more likely to be sniffy about the idea of doing the contest, whereas Bishopbriggs' very own queen Amy was even up for that weird German spinoff contest the other week :disco:
 
COB said:
I think an artist that focuses primarily on the UK and US markets is possibly more likely to be sniffy about the idea of doing the contest, whereas Bishopbriggs' very own queen Amy was even up for that weird German spinoff contest the other week :disco:
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And came third, it was jury and televote based too. Though I think she was just up for some kind of live gig during lockdown mainly!
 
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I feel like we are through the looking glass, at long last, when even Liz Truss gets it :D
 
It should be quite freeing really, doing this consistently badly. If whatever strategy they are following isn’t working, then what is there to lose taking a punt on something random
 
VoR said:
I think with my cynical head on, 'Europe hates us' is no longer a very useful message for the right wing. 'The BBC is shit and not fit for purpose' absolutely is.
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Maybe but I reckon with no BBC involvement this show would die a death in the UK in terms of coverage.
 
She suggested the LBC take over from the BBC :D

Visions of Julia Hartley-Brewer making Terry Wogan look WOKE, and Britain FUMING as Lawrence Fox and the Anti-Vaxettes get NIL POINTS.
 
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