22 dead at Manchester Arena Ariana Grande concert bombing

big ron said:
Can you elaborate on that a bit?
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Young impressionable people are consciously grouped together (societies etc) away from the prying eyes of parents and authorities. It just takes one to impress upon others.
 
To be honest, even though he was at university I can see most of the radicalisation being an online thing.
 
So this guy was known to the authorities, and had been fighting in Libya? How many more people have to die before our politicians actually do something about these IS fighters (and such) returning home like nothing has happened? I don't care how controversial that would be, but if someone has been fighting for IS they should either be locked up when they get back or even better not allowed back in.
 
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
 
Beryl said:
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
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Holy shit. Did you get injured?
 
Beryl said:
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
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Jesus Christ.

I'm so sorry to hear of all of this.
 
RaspberrySwirl said:
So this guy was known to the authorities, and had been fighting in Libya? How many more people have to die before our politicians actually do something about these IS fighters (and such) returning home like nothing has happened? I don't care how controversial that would be, but if someone has been fighting for IS they should either be locked up when they get back or even better not allowed back in.
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They already are. MI5 released a weirdly defensive statement yesterday (it's ridiculously rare they issue statements full stop) which I can't help but suspect was a tacit admission that they dropped the ball.
 
Beryl said:
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
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That is horrendous. Hope you're keeping as well as you can in the circumstances xx
 
Beryl said:
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
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I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like for you and how it will affect you afterwards. I hope you're ok.
 
Universities do what they can to prevent radicalisation. All outside speakers are screened. There's government guidelines in place that universities and student unions have to adhere to. The prevent guidelines have been called racist, which might not seem like much because the NUS thinks everything is racist (except Jew bashing obviously), but when the government responds to students not wanting pro-rape speakers and white supremacists on their campus with statements about universities needing to protect free speech, you can see why having specific rules to prevent terrorist ideas being spread looks that way. What else can be done?

Like pretty much everything else in modern life, it's easy to surround yourself with an echo-chamber but societies provide an invaluable support network for a lot of students and the Islamic societies in Manchester do a fuck-ton of fundraising and charity work.
 
I'm so sorry Beryl, hope you're ok x

This just seems to feel worse as time goes on and more news emerges about people you 'know', especially because we're linked with our love of pop music. I don't even know what I'm saying.
 
We're DJing on Friday, with the theme being Your Disco Needs You. It seems so stupid in light of everything but it seems a fitting tribute for all the fabulous queens right now.

Into You will feature, I don't think I can handle One Last Time though. I listened to it on the way to work this morning and it just destroyed me.
 
Gangsta Nancy Lam said:
Universities do what they can to prevent radicalisation. All outside speakers are screened. There's government guidelines in place that universities and student unions have to adhere to. The prevent guidelines have been called racist, which might not seem like much because the NUS thinks everything is racist (except Jew bashing obviously), but when the government responds to students not wanting pro-rape speakers and white supremacists on their campus with statements about universities needing to protect free speech, you can see why having specific rules to prevent terrorist ideas being spread looks that way. What else can be done?

Like pretty much everything else in modern life, it's easy to surround yourself with an echo-chamber but societies provide an invaluable support network for a lot of students and the Islamic societies in Manchester do a fuck-ton of fundraising and charity work.
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Totally. And I think its important to remember that, on the whole, I think the British intelligence services have done a great job keeping us safe. If what they say is true, that they have foiled 13 plots, it is precisely because of it that we are all so devastated by the attack in Manchester.
 
I think the crazy thing is that because it was a pop artist, any one of us could have been there, as Beryl and their friend Martyn show. I was 16 when I went to my first gig at the arena, those pop concerts have been so enriching, so life-affirming. It fucks me up to think that its the sanctity of those kinds of spaces that has been violated.
 
Beryl said:
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
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I couldn't even imagine what that must have been like. Good thing that you're safe!
 
I was lucky. We were racing to the exit to try get to our car as we were on the top floor of the ncp arena car park and it was going to be a nightmare to get out and we were driving back to Sheffield.
If we were 30 seconds ahead of ourselves we'd have been directly in it. Pandemonium took over, joy turned to fear in a flash and people panicked and ran. We didn't know if there were gunmen or more explosives and my instinct was to just get my boyfriend to safety.

People weren't just stampeding though, at least where I was. We helped those that fell over and I just kept shouting don't trample anyone.
 
Jill, Beryl - I am so, so sorry. The worst of news and I cannot begin to comprehend how you feel. Love to you both. xx
 
Ag said:
I don't know if it's appropriate but could we put something in the banner. There's that black ribbon with the Ariana bunny ears could fit. @Mugatu
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Lovely idea. There's also some nice illustrations of the Manchester skyline I've seen and got a bit teary at. It feels right that we do something, however small, to show solidarity.

I'm so sorry to hear Jill, Beryl and Indie's stories. I've not been able to think about anything else but this for the last day, it feels so much more intrusive this time, not least because it happened in the heart of the place I consider home.
 
Beryl said:
People weren't just stampeding though, at least where I was. We helped those that fell over and I just kept shouting don't trample anyone.
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I don't think I've ever been so overwhelmed with emotion at the positive things Ive learnt about other human beings as I have this week. You probably have no idea how powerful that statement is. Keep it in mind any time you feel down or upset about the events, you're a fucking hero.
 
The most heartbreaking thing isn't the headlines or the numbers or the footage. It's the interviews with the parents. On CNN they were interviewing the parents of a girl named Charlotte, who was one of the victims. They just looked like they were done with it all. Their faces all red and droopy from sadness. I couldn't even watch it past 5 minutes. Bloody unbearable. Wtf.
 
Ag said:
I don't know if it's appropriate but could we put something in the banner. There's that black ribbon with the Ariana bunny ears could fit. @Mugatu
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Oh god :( much love to Jill & Beryl. I remember seeing the story about Martyn helping his mum to get her crafty stuff sold a few months ago... only realised from Jonfessions' FB post today that it was him who died.
 
Azealia Banks' tweet to Martyn



I really hope he gets a dedication on Corrie. Or Wendy. All the things he celebrated should take the opportunity to return the favour.
 
I was reading a Buzzfeed article where his Mum wasn't selling stuff at a craft fair, so he got Twitter to buy it all. Cue it getting dusty again.
 
Ag said:
Young impressionable people are consciously grouped together (societies etc) away from the prying eyes of parents and authorities. It just takes one to impress upon others.
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Yes, even for me when I went to sixth form college I remember pretty much losing all of my black and Asian friends because there was this really horrible racial segregation that we never had in school. There were societies based on ethnicity and religion which in a way were supposed to bring some people together but in practice did the complete opposite.

Not sure what it's like now, but a Muslim friend of mine once said he was targeted in Uni (this is 15+ years ago) to join some of these groups and just refused. I'm sure the majority are perfectly innocent, but I hate it when religious groups become exclusive social groups too. It's not like a Uni based Kylie Minogue Appreciation Society would consist of members who would only socialise with other Kylie fans.
 
Beryl said:
I was at the Ariana concert and in the foyer where the bomb went off, about 50m in front of us. It was a horrific terrifying experience and now I've learnt Martyn has died I'm beside myself.
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Oh my God. Awful, just awful. I can't even imagine how you're coping.
 
I notice Ariana "One Last Time" is #3 on iTunes.

It somehow seems inappropriate to do a chart watch...
 
Thank you guys.

We heard the news last night but I didn't realise his family didn't want to release the details until I saw the announcement this morning.

There's just so many emotions going around at the moment - the attack itself, the fact it happened in my city, how close it is to where I live (we heard the explosion but thought it was fireworks...), and now the news that someone I knew and loved has died.

It's all too much to take in and after the initial shock of it all I'm just numb today. I really can't articulate it.
 
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